J.I.A.H.N Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Dallas trades Hemsky, Honka and 2016 1st for Vancouver's Vrbata and Hamhuis with 30% retained The difference in value is $2,650,000 savings Vancouver then has a approximate cap of $3,850,000 Vancouver then sign Cody Franson to a 1 yr bridge deal for $3,850,000 Why Vancouver does this......... Vrbata enjoyed the benefits of playing with the Sedins, bolstering his goals per game Hemsky will enjoy some of the same benefits and is 3 years younger Burrows and Hemsky can platoon with the Sedins Vancouver receives a highly touted prospect and a 1st round pick While replacing Vrbata to some degree Franson replaces Hamhuis and enjoys a home town discount Why Dallas does this................ Vrbata vs Hemsky is a net +23 goals for the Stars Hamhuis gives Dallas a very much needed top 3 defenseman IMO Dallas improves by + net 35 goals and becomes a contender Anyone care to burn and destroy? Flame on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky_Sedins Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 personally I would trade Hamhuis and Vrbata separately at the deadline Maybe: To DAL: Hamhuis To VAN: 2016 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do you mean Hemsky? The former Oilers "goal scorer"? I wouldnt want another soft player who fails to show up in big games. I am sure if they give up Honka Dallas would want to ensure they can sign Hammer or Verby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Dallas wasn't even close to being in the playoffs last season. They aren't going to mortgage their future by trading a recent 14th overall and a likely high first in 2016 (plus Hemsky) for two pending UFA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hemsky is over rated...a virtual has been already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Dallas would not trade Honka at all for Hamhuis, there's no room for Hamhuis in Dallas especially with the likely chance that Oleksiak, Jokypakka, and Johns become top 8 regulars this season. They signed Oduya, he's their Hamhuis-esque blueliner. Goligoski-Klingberg Oduya-Demers Jokypakka-Nemeth Jo. Benn-Oleksiak/Johns/Honka Vrbata could very likely come that time be a slight upgrade over Hemsky, but not a move they probably will need to make to compete. They have the scoring depth now with adding Sharp and Brett Ritchie a year older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirbs11 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Why dont we just trade Hamhuis and Vrbata to Anaheim at 50% retained for Theodore+1st and make them the instant favorites to win. Perry-Getzlaf-Vrbata Hagelin-Kesler-Silfverberg Maroon-Cogliano-Stewart Sekac-Santorelli-Rackell Thompson-Horcoff Fowler-Hamhuis Lindholm-Vatenen Bieksa-Stoner Despres And we can all watch former Canucks in Kesler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Vrbata and Santorelli win the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 There is actually some merit to this trade proposal. The only thing will be timing. I doubt very much Dallas does this now...they've got too much young talent to look at on the blueline. So they wait. At TD2016 where they are in the standings may dictate their intent (like many teams obviously). Are they less than 8 points out? MAKE THE DEAL! Are they in or are they more than 8 points out? Stand pat...wait one more year. Dallas fans are pretty patient, they can see the future, and it's bright. EDIT: And for the record the 2016 1st will need to change to a 2017 1st (I don't believe that under any circumstances will Dallas trade their 2016 high pick...2016 will be as deep as 2015 - no GEN talent - but just as deep). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 OPs proposal is close to a all in to win with them giving up future franchise d man and first for aging vets. No way Dallas is that close to winning it all. They don't go near anything like this proposal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Dallas would not trade Honka at all for Hamhuis, there's no room for Hamhuis in Dallas especially with the likely chance that Oleksiak, Jokypakka, and Johns become top 8 regulars this season. They signed Oduya, he's their Hamhuis-esque blueliner. Goligoski-Klingberg Oduya-Demers Jokypakka-Nemeth Jo. Benn-Oleksiak/Johns/Honka Vrbata could very likely come that time be a slight upgrade over Hemsky, but not a move they probably will need to make to compete. They have the scoring depth now with adding Sharp and Brett Ritchie a year older. That's why the hamhuis trade is a deadline deal. If some of the young Dallas defencemen don't take another step, they will need to find a veteran dman (hammer) for a playoff push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 That's why the hamhuis trade is a deadline deal. If some of the young Dallas defencemen don't take another step, they will need to find a veteran dman (hammer) for a playoff push They aren't in any rush, Honka is the future of their D... Hemsky is barely good enough to play in this league anymore. This deal makes no sense for a team who were far from making it last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I disagree with those that think Dallas will not be a good team this year.....I think that with the addition they have already made, they will be in the hunt for a playoff spot, with the exclusion of Hemsky and the inclusion of Vrbata and Hamhuis, they gain a lot of goals for, while Hamhuis will be a valuable addition to their defense........one would think his defense would prevent 10 less goals in the season, mean while the difference between Hemsky and Vrbata was 24 goals last season. Last year, without Sharpe, the Stars were 261 GF 260 GA, add Vrbata and Hamhuis, and the table change considerably........with the trade.Dallas looks like 285 GF 250 GA, that's a difference of +34.....the Canucks were 8th OA in points and had a +22........+34 puts Dallas at in the top 6 OA I think that makes them a contender......I think Dallas would pay that price The additions of Niemi, Nichushkin(Injury), Sharp, and Oduya (also understand Johns is pretty good) My bet is even without Hamhuis and Vrbata, the Stars add 12 to 14 points more than there 92 points last year......... Like I said earlier........the addition of Hamhuis and Vrbata make them instant contenders.............. Now the other reason Dallas would look at this trade is the would get first crack at resigning Vrbata and Hamhuis............getting players on the last year of a contract, doesn't mean they can't be resigned......or traded before the draft to recover some later picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why dont we just trade Hamhuis and Vrbata to Anaheim at 50% retained for Theodore+1st and make them the instant favorites to win. Perry-Getzlaf-Vrbata Hagelin-Kesler-Silfverberg Maroon-Cogliano-Stewart Sekac-Santorelli-Rackell Thompson-Horcoff Fowler-Hamhuis Lindholm-Vatenen Bieksa-Stoner Despres And we can all watch former Canucks in Kesler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Vrbata and Santorelli win the Cup. If that happened, the only ones that I would be happy for would be Bieksa and Hamhuis...the others fall into the who really gives a r@t$ @$$ about 'em anymore category. You can count on Vrbata pulling an impersonation of the tin man from the Wizard of Oz as soon as the pay checks stop coming in at the end of the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's why the hamhuis trade is a deadline deal. If some of the young Dallas defencemen don't take another step, they will need to find a veteran dman (hammer) for a playoff push True, but why not just sign a decent 2-way veteran blueliner in Meszaros, Gleason, or Hejda? Instead of giving up their top defensive prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I actually think that this proposed trade has some merit with the exception of the first being included. In my opinion, Vancouver's biggest needs are solid secondary scoring and an offensive d-man that can play a regular shift and not hurt the team defensively. I think that Hamhuis for Hemsky is a wash, Hemsky has always had point a game potential but there always seems to be a lingering injury or something that keeps him from seeing it whereas Vrbata is a steady performer. Honka may be the guy the Canucks need, he has the offense but I'm not really sure if he can handle a regular shift in the NHL but may be worth giving a chance. Vancouver's need for secondary scoring isn't addressed for the long term but they would be could be adding a d-man unlike any others in their system right now. Subban, Hutton, etc may develop but will probably take a few more years than Honka at this point. I don't really know what Dallas needs but if they really like Hamhuis and can extend him then they may be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 F yes Vrbatman and Hammer for Honka and a 1st with a toss in to make the cap work if they wanted to make that deal we would be suckers not to. I highly doubt they would but if..... take it and run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Dallas trades Hemsky, Honka and 2016 1st for Vancouver's Vrbata and Hamhuis with 30% retained The difference in value is $2,650,000 savings Vancouver then has a approximate cap of $3,850,000 Vancouver then sign Cody Franson to a 1 yr bridge deal for $3,850,000 Why Vancouver does this......... Vrbata enjoyed the benefits of playing with the Sedins, bolstering his goals per game Hemsky will enjoy some of the same benefits and is 3 years younger Burrows and Hemsky can platoon with the Sedins Vancouver receives a highly touted prospect and a 1st round pick While replacing Vrbata to some degree Franson replaces Hamhuis and enjoys a home town discount Why Dallas does this................ Vrbata vs Hemsky is a net +23 goals for the Stars Hamhuis gives Dallas a very much needed top 3 defenseman IMO Dallas improves by + net 35 goals and becomes a contender Anyone care to burn and destroy? Flame on! Who's Honka? Is he a potential elite D? If he's not, then nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 This trade doesn't make much sense now. Depending on how many variables work out it might later in the season. I don't think trades with retained salary are going to be that common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHodgson9 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/julius-honka/ Talent Analysis Honka is a slick, puck-moving defenseman. With a hard, accurate right-handed shot he is a threat from the point and is masterful on the powerplay unit. Honka can dominate in offensive situations, but also understands positional play. He handles physical play despite his lack of bulk and stature. Future Honka impressed at the Traverse City rookie tournament and in the Stars training camp before being assigned to AHL affiliate Texas to start the 2014-15 season. Making his North American pro debut as an 18-year-old, he has skated in every game for the defending AHL champions and has seen his role increased with the recall of John Klingberg. He was chosen to play for Finland in the 2015 World Juniors. Still a bit thin and undersized for the NHL level, his skills and instincts suggests he can be a top-four offensive defenseman as he grows and matures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I disagree with those that think Dallas will not be a good team this year.....I think that with the addition they have already made, they will be in the hunt for a playoff spot, with the exclusion of Hemsky and the inclusion of Vrbata and Hamhuis, they gain a lot of goals for, while Hamhuis will be a valuable addition to their defense........one would think his defense would prevent 10 less goals in the season, mean while the difference between Hemsky and Vrbata was 24 goals last season. Last year, without Sharpe, the Stars were 261 GF 260 GA, add Vrbata and Hamhuis, and the table change considerably........with the trade.Dallas looks like 285 GF 250 GA, that's a difference of +34.....the Canucks were 8th OA in points and had a +22........+34 puts Dallas at in the top 6 OA I think that makes them a contender......I think Dallas would pay that price The additions of Niemi, Nichushkin(Injury), Sharp, and Oduya (also understand Johns is pretty good) My bet is even without Hamhuis and Vrbata, the Stars add 12 to 14 points more than there 92 points last year......... Like I said earlier........the addition of Hamhuis and Vrbata make them instant contenders.............. Now the other reason Dallas would look at this trade is the would get first crack at resigning Vrbata and Hamhuis............getting players on the last year of a contract, doesn't mean they can't be resigned......or traded before the draft to recover some later picks The big question with Dallas is defence. And they traded a good D man to get Sharp. But they are LOADED in D prospects. Trading Daley may have even helped make room n the roster for their best prospects? So a lot rides on how well their young D, and goalie tandem play. But man their forward corps, Nichushkin is also returning, is absolutely wicked looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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