Jonathan Dahlén | C/LW

[kloubek]

1 minute ago, BaerToBo said:

Where did I say they were all gonna reach their potential?? Odds are some will fail and some will exceed expectations. Its not like were going to just one year make that our opening night lineup all im saying is our forward core is looking solid for the future and we have something to look forward to

You said your mock lines were lines that "WERE solid" and "could dominate".  To me, that implies you felt the lineup was solid and could dominate... to which I would argue that it only looks that way if you believe these players will hit their potential.

[Brobidus]

If Benning ends up convincing Gaudette to sign in the summer then I'd be stoked to see a line of Dahlen - Gaudette - Virtanen growing together on Utica. Finally gives Utica a couple of great prospects to watch. I also wonder what Benning thinks about Elias Petterson. He was just on his Euro tour so he must have watched Timra quite a bit. I've liked Petterson and wouldn't be disappointed if we picked him even as high as 4th. 

So Dahlen becomes our 4th best prospect? We've now got a nice solid base of prospects to go with
Boeser, Juolevi, Demko, Dahlen, Gaudette, Virtanen, Brisebois, Lockwood.

Excited to see what else can be done at this trade deadline especially with that Columbus 2nd coming this year as well. 
Still amazed we got Dahlen back for Burrows without and retention.

[Nuxfanabroad]

5 hours ago, orcasgonewild said:

Id prefer this guy at LW just like Nylander. I wanna draft a centreman this year in either Patrick hischier vilardi or Mittelstadt. He's definitely top 6 potential 

 

 

IMO we still need that 1st line centre and LW 

 

LW C Boeser 

Dahlen Horvat virtanen 

Baertschi gaudette Granlund 

 

 

 

Looks nice. Like how you sent Eriksson to the Intl Space Station.

[Blömqvist]

I wonder if it works like this, if the Canucks can add another first and pick again in the 10-20 range...

 

Draft Boeser then sign Stecher.

Draft Gaudette then sign Aston-Reese?

Trade for Dahlen then draft Pettersson?

Edited February 28, 2017 by Blömqvist

[filthycanuck]

Too bad we couldn't add Pulkinen, would've been nice to give him a shot seeing is that the Coyotes got him for a McD happy meal

 

But anyways, on to Dahlen, from what Ive read and heard all through out the day, sounds like we've got ourselves a player. From the highlight videos, aesthetically the way he skates and shoots the puck, very reminicent of Nail Yakupov, but nice to see the kid likes to go under the hash to score some of his goals

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Looks nice. Like how you sent Eriksson to the Intl Space Station.

hahahaha

[Derp...]

Don't know if this has been posted, but pretty indepth look at Dahlén from the leafs blog pension plan puppets

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/5/10/11643948/draft-profile-is-jonathan-dahlen-the-swede-we-need

 

So this kid is comparable to David Pastrnak and Filip Forsberg?

He's a bit smaller than those guys (although not by much in the case of Pastrnak), but so far the numbers seem to indicate he's at a similar level. Let's dive into that a bit more, though, shall we?

First, let's compare how they got their points in Allsvenskan.

 

 

[funkyfresh]

3 hours ago, BaerToBo said:

I think our forward group is looking solid. If we win the draft lottery we'll be set. Also if minnesota is still oprn for business a guy like Tuch for Hansen would be great

 

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser

Dahlen-Hischier-Tuch

Granlund-Gaudette-Virtanen

Gaunce-Cassels-Lockwood

 

That offence can score defend and could dominate imo

[Toews]

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A Brief Statistical Analysis of Jonathan Dahlen

 

Had a night off from nursing homework, so I figured why not do some homework on our shiny new toy, Jonathan Dahlen!

I'm not going to dive too far into things, because A) I had an 8 hour day at school including a midterm, so my brain doesn't have much left in the tank, and I had a hard enough time navigating hockey websites that are in the Swedish language just to find the data that I have. So, pitter-patter, lets get at 'er.

Dahlen's boxcar stats this year are quite impressive alone: 44GP-24G-18A-42PTS. Nearly a point per game. Very impressive considering he's a 19 year old playing against men, and I wouldn't exactly describe him as big, only standing at 5'11 and 180 lbs. He's 6th in the league in scoring, is tied for 2nd in goal scoring, and leads his team in points (with 2017 draft eligible Elias Pettersson right behind him), despite being younger and smaller than most of the league.

Now, there are many red flags that can pop up when you dive deeper into the production of players. Are they being carried by a high shooting %? Does most of their production come on the powerplay? Are they being carried by their linemates? Is a considerable proportion of their production secondary assists? Does their team score a ton of goals, therefore their production is inflated? I decided to investigate Dahlen's stats this year to see if any of these red flags popped up. What I discovered really surprised me........in a really, really, good way.

First, we'll talk about Dahlen's production at even strength vs the power play. Most of a hockey game is played at ES, so it is crucial that a player is able to produce at ES and not just on the powerplay. As some of you may know, many of us on this sub (including myself) have a beef with 2017 draft eligible Michael Rasmussen's draft position because a majority of his production comes on the powerplay, and he struggles to produce at evens.

Out of Dahlen's 44 points, 32 of them have come at evens, for an ESPTS% of 76%. I also calculated how many of his 24 goals have come at even strength, and 17 of his 24 goals have been at evens, for a ESG% of 71%. Both of these numbers are very encouraging. Let me explain why.

I looked at these same statistics for the other top 10 scorers in the league, and calculated their points and numbers at evens. The average for ESPTS% was 67%, and 71% for ESG%. The highest ESPTS% in the top 10 was 81%, and the highest ESG% was 85%. However, the 85% ESG% belonged to a player with only 12 goals, so the smaller sample size makes it easier for the data to be skewed. Also, Dahlen's numbers need to be changed for this comparison, as I took off two points and 2 goals off of his totals because they were "shootout winners" (I combed through his data more thoroughly than the rest of the players), and I didn't do the same for the other players. If we add those goals into his totals for the sake of consistency between all the players, his ESG% jumps up to 79%, and his ESPTS% climbs to 81%. This ties him for the highest ESPTS% in the top 10, puts him behind only one player for the highest ESG%, and puts him considerably above the average for both ESPTS% & ESG%. In Conclusion: Dahlen does not rely on the PP to put up points, and among the league leaders in points, is one of the most prolific scorers at 5v5.

Next up, his primary points %. A player's primary point total excludes secondary assists. Primary points have been shown to be a better predictor of future success than conventional point totals, so I decided to dive into Dahlen's stats and, again, the numbers are very encouraging.

Out of Dahlen's 42 points, 37 are primary points, which is a percentage of 88%. This took longer to calculate than the ESPTS%, as I had to look at all of the boxscores of Timra's games to see if Dahlen's assists were primary, or secondary. Therefore, I am not going to compare him to players in his league, because I do not have enough time or energy to do the same thing for all of those players. Instead, I am going to compare him to forwards in the NHL (I excluded defensemen because they usually have a higher rate of secondary assists due to the nature of their position, and could skew the data. I also used players from a broader range of the points rankings (as far down as 200th), as the most skilled players in the league may have a tendency to compile more primary points, which could also skew the data). The average primary pts% for an NHL forward is 74%. Again, Dahlen IS in a different league, but his 88%, when compared to the NHL, looks real good. In conclusion: Dahlen creates offense himself, and doesn't ride his linemate's coattails.

Now onto shooting %. The league avg for Allsvenskan is 11.76%. This is higher than the NHL's 9.11, and is most likely due to less talented goaltenders and defensemen. Dahlen's shooting % is 13.79%. That is a bit high, but remember, he has a wicked shot, and he does play in the dirty areas in front of the net (which can slightly raise a player's shooting %). What is more impressive though, is that he is 2nd in his whole league in shots, with 174 shots in 44 games, good for 3.95 shots/game. Combine his great shot with the volume of pucks he launches at the net, and it's no wonder he's touted as a goal scorer.

Lastly, does his team score a ton of goals, therefore inflating Dahlen's totals? The answer is no. Timra ranks 10th out of 14 teams with 125 goals in 50 games. Therefore, his team's offense is not inflating his totals. The next step was to calculate how many of Timra's goals Dahlen has been involved in (a goal or assist), and how many he has scored himself. Keep in mind, Dahlen has missed 6 of Timra's games, so these numbers would most likely be higher if he had played in all of them. Of Timra's 125 goals, Dahlen has been involved in 34% of them, and has scored 19% (!!!!) of Timra's total goals, ALL WHILE MISSING 6 OF THEIR GAMES.

HOLY. ****SNACKS.

Also, Dahlen just ended an insane streak of being in on 13 CONSECUTIVE GOALS for Timra. That streak just ended TODAY. So yeah, this kid is extremely important to his team's success.

To recap: * Dahlen doesn't rely on the PP to put up points, and is one of the most prolific players in his league at evens. * Dahlen has a very high percentage of primary points, indicating that he drives offense himself and doesn't ride the coattails of his linemates. * Dahlen does have a slightly elevated shooting %, but he is known to have a great shot, to have great awareness to go to scoring areas, and he shoots at one of the highest rates in the league. * Dahlen is the most significant offensive contributor on his team, as evidenced by his extremely large share of Timras's total goals and points.

Thank you to everyone who actually read through all of this. I've always wanted to do a write-up for one of our prospects like this, and the opportunity just kind of presented itself today.

In the end, this was all to say that #Dahlenisactuallyreallygood, and that we just fleeced the **** out of the Sens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/comments/5wmixu/a_brief_statistical_analysis_of_jonathan_dahlen/

 

Not my work. Full credit to the guy on reddit for taking the time.

[Derp...]

If anyone's interested in seeing some more detailed stats on Dahlén this year you can look at this site

http://stats.swehockey.se/Players/Statistics/ScoringEfficiencyLeaders/7157

Only 5 power play goals this year out of 24 is a good sign, also has 174 shots in 44 games for a shooting percentage of 13% which is pretty sustainable. He's also +14 on the year right now. His team is also sporting the second lowest shooting percentage in the league at 8.45% and is below league average in goals and goals per game. It's not like his team is very good around him, he and Peterson are carrying them right now.

[Junkyard Dog]

10 minutes ago, Derp... said:

If anyone's interested in seeing some more detailed stats on Dahlén this year you can look at this site

http://stats.swehockey.se/Players/Statistics/ScoringEfficiencyLeaders/7157

Only 5 power play goals this year out of 24 is a good sign, also has 174 shots in 44 games for a shooting percentage of 13% which is pretty sustainable. He's also +14 on the year right now. His team is also sporting the second lowest shooting percentage in the league at 8.45% and is below league average in goals and goals per game. It's not like his team is very good around him, he and Peterson are carrying them right now.

So much research.

 

Somebody is excited.

[Derp...]

2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

So much research.

 

Somebody is excited.

Also lead the WJC in shots on goal with 34 in 7 games. Was the only player in the top 14 with a S% under 15% as well. The 3 guys who were ahead of him had S% of 27(Kaprisov), 46(White), and 25(Ek)

[Derp...]

 

[Derp...]

I think this means we won't take Tolvanen in the draft. This guy has a rocket of a shot though. Excited to hopefully see him play with Boeser at some point.

[Junkyard Dog]

He isn't afraid to go to the net and has nice edge work on his feet.

 

I think he and Boeser will need a season in the AHL. JB should try to get some help down there next season.

[73 Percent]

13 minutes ago, Derp... said:

 

That is just littered with filthy stuff. I love when he pushes one guy after he scores.  You're in my celebration bubble!

[Derp...]

1 hour ago, Gooseberries said:

That is just littered with filthy stuff. I love when he pushes one guy after he scores.  You're in my celebration bubble!

This is my celebration bubble, don't even try to bring your disappointment bubble over here... Maybe ask for a trade and you can join my celebration bubble.

[Seven pounds soft]

2 hours ago, Gooseberries said:

That is just littered with filthy stuff. I love when he pushes one guy after he scores.  You're in my celebration bubble!

We have a goal scorer guys! 

Dat slap shot , broken stick , shootout goal doe!

[Derp...]

Interesting read from Sweden on Dahlen.

http://www.hockeysverige.se/uffe-bodin/2017/02/28/bodin-en-usel-trejd-som-ottawa-har-rad-att-gora/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 

The first reaction was something like, "WTF !?"
I sat and worked on a freelance job when Alexandre Burrows name fluttered by in the Twitter stream in the corner of his eye. It was only a couple of minutes later as Jonathan Dahlen 's name also appeared and I could put two and two together and make it to two. Spontaneously feels the trade between the Ottawa Senators and Vancouver Canucks as an extremely short-sighted and stupid business of Senators perspective. I wrote something on twitter like that it must be nice for the Canucks reviled general manager Jim Benning to finally be on the opposite side of a joke. For usually it is he who places talented players against superannuated has-beens.

It was not long before Filip Forsberg -mot- Martin Erat references began popping up. And yes, maybe it is so we will look at the trade a few years. How good Dahlen will be, we can still only guess about. He has made it damn good in the Hockey Allsvenskan this season and is my personal favorite to take home the gold grille as the league's best junior later in the week. But Hockeyallsvenskan is SHL or even the AHL. It is a league that in terms of quality and effectiveness has lost a lot since SHL league expanded to 14 teams. Therefore, I dare not appoint him to a sure bet to become a top six player in the NHL one day. There is much that must fall into place before that is a fact.

Burrows is undoubtedly a player in the downhill, in many ways a shell of its former self from the time when he successfully flanked the Sedin twins and lined up seasons with 25-35 goals a season. It is not so strange given that he is in his 36th year of life, and have reached a stage in his career where all players not named Jaromir Jagr or Joe Thornton begins to lose in productivity and efficiency. Despite this, I still believe that he can fill a role for the Senators, give them a bit more width and edge facing what looks to be a return to the playoffs. Undoubtedly, he will help the club more in this now than Dahlen does. So how short-term affair than is making the Senators to a slightly better team. Whether that will make any difference in a playoff game, one can of course imagine skeptical in terms of how many teams there that are better than the Senators in the Eastern Conference.

What we may not have taken into account is that the Ottawa Senators can afford to do this deal. After a couple of really good drafter has the greater talent than Dahlen in its pipeline. A ranking in the club "prospect pool" before the Dahlen trade would probably have placed the Swede in 5-6th place somewhere with players like Thomas Chabot , Logan Brown , Colin White and potentially  Filip Chlapík and Christian Jaros before the Swede.

So how highly we value the Dahlen than here in Sweden, he was far from being the most valued player within their own organization. Then sacrifice him on a 36-year-old player that you probably have access only to a few months is a different matter. It appears to be a lousy trade, but at the same time a lousy trade the Ottawa Senators survive. Just as the Washington Capitals still one of the most vibrant club, the Filip Forsberg trade notwithstanding.

Footnote: It is reported that after this chronicle was written to the Ottawa Senators extended the contract with Alex Burrows for a further two seasons.

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When Jim Benning commented on the trade shortly after it was announced, he said that the Vancouver Canucks plan to try to get Dahlen under contract shortly and that it will then place him in the AHL already for next season. I think Dahlen has all the possibilities to cope with the acclimation without a problem - he has, after all, largely grew up in North America in dad Ulf's time as a player and coach in the NHL - but it feels pretty damn sad at the same time if this should be the case.

That we in the Swedish ice hockey miss out on your chance to see this kind of talent do at least one or two seasons in SHL also as young seniors is a great loss. I hope Benning think about this because I, in addition to the obvious selfish reasons, believe that Dahlén would benefit from at least one season in the SHL.

 

[Odd.]

8 hours ago, Rush17 said:

Interview with Dahlen on Ottawa's tsn station from June 25th just after the draft.  

 

Dahlen: I have a pretty good offensive toolbox

 

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/dahlen-i-have-a-pretty-good-offensive-toolbox-1.515370

 

 

Not that it means anything, but damn this guy speaks very good english. Clear, well spoken. Already a better talker than the Sedins lol.