TheGuardian_ Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 By weaponizing the cap, using Aquilini's approved spending to the cap, the time for Canuck prospects to make the NHL and get used to it. Sign and trade with salary retention. Sign Tavares to 12 mil a season, trade him and retain 1/2 salary for three years, to Buffalo for the #1, just spit balling there. Agents get involved in trades and will work to get what their clients want. In a Tavares deal NYI might even be involved in a sign and trade. Teams would be in favour of deals like this, could you imagine if the contenders that are ready to win now had an additional 6 mil in cap space like Pittsburgh had extra space. For the Canucks, top picks would be the return with nothing but "Eriksson" money used, Eriksson is a decent player but I refer to the wasted extra money spent for a player readily available through FA at a much lower salary. If the Canucks did this type of deal, maybe two of them and the return was multiple 1rst round picks, retention term is also involved, 2, 3 or 4 years or retention. It wouldn't be any worse than the 14 mil the Sedins were getting except the team is getting many extra top picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 What? So you'd sign Tavares to a 3 year deal and have us pay $6 for those three years just to trade him to Buffalo? I'm pretty sure Tavares will get a NTC or NMC in any deal he signs. Props for thinking outside the box, but I think you're a little too far away from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Heffy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Why would Tavares sign any contract without a NMC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Where's Wellwood Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 You can only retain salary on 3 contracts at a time, and we're still retaining on Luongo. Plus, it's a bad idea to retain so much salary for 3-4 years with a lock out likely coming. After the last lockout, the salary cap dropped like a stone. Teams were given compliance buyouts, but we'd be wise to use that on Luongo's contract (if we can, to avoid the cap recapture) rather than 2 salary retentions we burden ourselves with. Short term retention (like on Hansen, which is now done) is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, c00kies said: What? So you'd sign Tavares to a 3 year deal and have us pay $6 for those three years just to trade him to Buffalo? I'm pretty sure Tavares will get a NTC or NMC in any deal he signs. Props for thinking outside the box, but I think you're a little too far away from it No way, Buffalo would want a max term, the Canucks retain 6 mil for 3 or 4 years and get Dahlin. The NMC, NTC has a starting date negotiated into it and usually a player can waive. These types of deals are one's that both side want, not something that the Nucks try to pull off, the only involvement for the Canucks is trading away 6 mil a year for 3 years and getting a Dahlin in return. Buffalo was just thrown out there as they had the best draft pick. It could/would be any team(s), two teams have a deal but cap space/salary is an issue, they come to the Canucks for cap space, both teams offer up high draft picks or top prospects, the more the cap space the more picks/prospects. Maybe a team wants Karlsson or Karlsson (Vegas) or just wants to keep their lineup intact. As far as outside the box, not really this has happened several times already, teams trade medical issues so other teams can meet cap minimums, this is similar to the Kessel deal. TO traded for Horton and got a pick/prospect for doing it. It is just that the Canucks have a window of time where they need to develop some prospects into the NHL, for them development is the number one issue, with proper development winning will come so they don't have to go and try to make a winning team for another 2 years yet. Not many teams will have the financial ability, roster spots available and be where the Canucks are in terms of a rebuild to do this kind of deal and the Nucks could only do it twice until Luongo's deal is up or he medically can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: You can only retain salary on 3 contracts at a time, and we're still retaining on Luongo. Plus, it's a bad idea to retain so much salary for 3-4 years with a lock out likely coming. After the last lockout, the salary cap dropped like a stone. Teams were given compliance buyouts, but we'd be wise to use that on Luongo's contract (if we can, to avoid the cap recapture) rather than 2 salary retentions we burden ourselves with. Short term retention (like on Hansen, which is now done) is better. 3 year likely wiped if there is a dispute so no salary paid and the structure of the Canucks contracts could absorb the hit if necessary, heck it might even be tradeable after the new CBA. The cap will not be an issue or shouldn't be for another 4 years yet, not unless some one goes nuts and signs a bunch more 34+ vets to 5+ mil contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: No way, Buffalo would want a max term, the Canucks retain 6 mil for 3 or 4 years and get Dahlin. The NMC, NTC has a starting date negotiated into it and usually a player can waive. These types of deals are one's that both side want, not something that the Nucks try to pull off, the only involvement for the Canucks is trading away 6 mil a year for 3 years and getting a Dahlin in return. Buffalo was just thrown out there as they had the best draft pick. It could/would be any team(s), two teams have a deal but cap space/salary is an issue, they come to the Canucks for cap space, both teams offer up high draft picks or top prospects, the more the cap space the more picks/prospects. Maybe a team wants Karlsson or Karlsson (Vegas) or just wants to keep their lineup intact. As far as outside the box, not really this has happened several times already, teams trade medical issues so other teams can meet cap minimums, this is similar to the Kessel deal. TO traded for Horton and got a pick/prospect for doing it. It is just that the Canucks have a window of time where they need to develop some prospects into the NHL, for them development is the number one issue, with proper development winning will come so they don't have to go and try to make a winning team for another 2 years yet. Not many teams will have the financial ability, roster spots available and be where the Canucks are in terms of a rebuild to do this kind of deal and the Nucks could only do it twice until Luongo's deal is up or he medically can't play. I don't think you can retain less than the entire length of the contract though, so it would be 7 years which would screw us in the long run. Also, those other deals are different, as they involved players that weren't playing so that the team could reach the cap floor without paying out of their own pockets. These were not done with freshly signed, prime free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 sure, if NHL trade and contract signing is like playing in a schoolyard sandbox, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure1010 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: By weaponizing the cap, using Aquilini's approved spending to the cap, the time for Canuck prospects to make the NHL and get used to it. Sign and trade with salary retention. Sign Tavares to 12 mil a season, trade him and retain 1/2 salary for three years, to Buffalo for the #1, just spit balling there. Agents get involved in trades and will work to get what their clients want. In a Tavares deal NYI might even be involved in a sign and trade. Umm is everyone missing the fact that he’s nyi property til a week after the draft. So how r the Canucks going to get the 1st from buffalo for a player on a different team til a week after the draft. Could u imagine Bettman announcing we have a trade the sabres trade the 1 st overall pick to the Canucks for future considerations. Then Tavares doesn’t sign with the Canucks this would be an absolute joke. Not to mention gms aren’t allowed to even talk to players agents about said player without the teams approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Sign Tavares to 12 mil a season, trade him and retain 1/2 salary for three years, to Buffalo for the #1, just spit balling there. Ridiculous lol. Things like that don't actually happen in the real world....ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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J.I.A.H.N Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: By weaponizing the cap, using Aquilini's approved spending to the cap, the time for Canuck prospects to make the NHL and get used to it. Sign and trade with salary retention. Sign Tavares to 12 mil a season, trade him and retain 1/2 salary for three years, to Buffalo for the #1, just spit balling there. Agents get involved in trades and will work to get what their clients want. In a Tavares deal NYI might even be involved in a sign and trade. Teams would be in favour of deals like this, could you imagine if the contenders that are ready to win now had an additional 6 mil in cap space like Pittsburgh had extra space. For the Canucks, top picks would be the return with nothing but "Eriksson" money used, Eriksson is a decent player but I refer to the wasted extra money spent for a player readily available through FA at a much lower salary. If the Canucks did this type of deal, maybe two of them and the return was multiple 1rst round picks, retention term is also involved, 2, 3 or 4 years or retention. It wouldn't be any worse than the 14 mil the Sedins were getting except the team is getting many extra top picks. Well I don't honestly think Buffalo lets Dahlin go.even for that............but here is a crazier one Vancouver signs Tavares for 10 million per and then trades him back to NYI at 40% retain for 5 years NYI trades 2018 1st (11 OA) + 2018 2nd (42nd OA) for Vancouver's 20 million Is that enough for 20 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Orrrrrr Buffalo just signs Tavares and... keeps Dahlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 June 22 - Trade Tavares July 1st - Sign Tavares Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Sign Tavares, promptly trade Tavares, AND retain 6mil in cap on him. Perfection. Didn't even read after that point cause I can't imagine it gets better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Bure1010 said: Umm is everyone missing the fact that he’s nyi property til a week after the draft. So how r the Canucks going to get the 1st from buffalo for a player on a different team til a week after the draft. Could u imagine Bettman announcing we have a trade the sabres trade the 1 st overall pick to the Canucks for future considerations. Then Tavares doesn’t sign with the Canucks this would be an absolute joke. Not to mention gms aren’t allowed to even talk to players agents about said player without the teams approval. Nope, didn't miss it. In theory (I can't believe I'm defending the Guardian), you could sign Tavares on July 1st and then trade him for the rights to Dahlin, assuming that was who Buffalo picked. I can just imagine how those contract talks would go... JT: "And I will need a No Trade Clause" JB: "Sorry, we already have a deal in place to ship you to Buffalo" JT: Hangs up phone A more realistic scenario would be Toronto signing Tavares and then trading Matthews for Dahlin. Not that I actually think it will happen, just that it's more realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Vancouver signs Tavares for 10 million per and then trades him back to NYI at 40% retain for 5 years I think he will get more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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