[Signing] Tyler Myers to Vancouver

[D.B Cooper]

5 hours ago, cyoung said:

Can plan your team around a potential return by tryamkin. Things must continue to progress, sitting and waiting for him would be a terrible idea.

Agreed.  Plan like Tryamkin is never coming back.   If he does, he can earn his spot by beating someone else out.  

[Maketherightmove]

10 hours ago, Rush17 said:

Hughes #1 (in future)

Myers #3 (maybe low 2)

Edler #2 (maybe regresses to a 3)

Tanev #4 (maybe improves to a 3 if healthy)

Stecher #5 (a good 5)

Hughes will never be a #1. He can’t play shutdown minutes. He could compliment a true #1. He’s going to be a fantastic PP qb though. 

[Gaudette Celly]

2 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said:

Hughes will never be a #1. He can’t play shutdown minutes. He could compliment a true #1. He’s going to be a fantastic PP qb though. 

He can certainly be first pairing.  Only 8 games so far, but as Greener said, he increased his minutes along the way, going from 14 in his first game all the way up to 22 and he handled it.  The way he skates, he's easily going to munch 20+ minutes.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said:

Hughes will never be a #1. He can’t play shutdown minutes. He could compliment a true #1. He’s going to be a fantastic PP qb though. 

Depends on what your definition of a number one D man is.  

[Maketherightmove]

1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said:

He can certainly be first pairing.  Only 8 games so far, but as Greener said, he increased his minutes along the way, going from 14 in his first game all the way up to 22 and he handled it.  The way he skates, he's easily going to munch 20+ minutes.

First pairing absolutely. Assuming he’s paired with a true #1 defenseman. 

[on the cycle]

Would prefer they go after Colin Miller.

RHD, good size, skating, 26 years old, under contract for 3 more years at $3.875M.

[kanucks25]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s going to be one of Myers or Gardiner.  Which one is best for us now, and over the next 7 years?  I like Gardiner’s skill, but Myers is a big boy, who might (I think he will) play at his current level for the contract’s term. 

Gardiner without a doubt is the better player. A big body means nothing, Myers is not someone who utilizes his size, especially in the defensive zone. Size and reach mean nothing if you don't have the brain to figure out how to take advantage of it.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, kanucks25 said:

Gardiner without a doubt is the better player. A big body means nothing, Myers is not someone who utilizes his size, especially in the defensive zone. Size and reach mean nothing if you don't have the brain to figure out how to take advantage of it.

Myers is big, so he will most likely play at his current level.  Gardiner is already showing signs of breaking down.  But yes, Gardiner is currently the better player.  Just for how long though?  

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said:

First pairing absolutely. Assuming he’s paired with a true #1 defenseman. 

Quinn is a number one.  His partner needs to be a big body, who can play top pair (5 on 5) minutes, and do the heavy lifting against walls.  Edler would be an ideal partner for Quinn.  That’s why Green had Quinn playing some right side D at the end of last season.

Our top pair will be:

Edler and Hughes. (Hughes will be logging 22 + minutes a game.  

[Dr. Crossbar]

20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Quinn is a number one.  His partner needs to be a big body, who can play top pair (5 on 5) minutes, and do the heavy lifting against walls.  Edler would be an ideal partner for Quinn.  That’s why Green had Quinn playing some right side D at the end of last season.

Our top pair will be:

Edler and Hughes. (Hughes will be logging 22 + minutes a game.  

Edler and Hughes be like ...

 

[Silver Ghost]

1 hour ago, kanucks25 said:

I said he's an upgrade over Schenn, please read again carefully.

 

However, I also said he doesn't move the needle. In other words, he's not much of an upgrade over Tanev or Stecher in our top-4 right side.

 

Saying he's a top-4 on a contender is pushing it. He was never ahead of Byfuglien or Trouba on Winnipeg's right side, nobody in their right mind would take Myers over those two guys. Yes, we don't have a Buff or Trouba on our team, but it doesn't change the fact that Myers is not an impact D-man.

 

Does adding Myers to our roster without subtracting anyone make us better on paper and on the ice? Sure. Is it worth it when you take into account all the context? Hell no.

 

And to suggest we aren't in a position to add picks and prospects at this stage of our organization is completely laughable. We are nowhere close to competing and to sacrifice our cap structure now in the name of adding average players is asinine.

Who he is an upgrade over isnt really the point. It is whether he adds something we need. And he definitely does. Again, depending on the cost and term.

 

You seem to be the king of the strawman. Who cares if he is better than Buff or Trouba? He is better than Stecher and Tanev at what we would need him for. And when called upon to move up the lineup in Winnipeg he actually responded and played much better at both ends. 

 

If we get Myers our D is better. Thats the bottom line. Just depends on if the contract makes sense. He would arguably be our 3rd best dman immediately.

 

When did I say we werent in a position to add picks? Read what i actually said there bud.

 

As far as competing, this team is probably closer than you think it is. If we add one or two better D that is. Our goaltending is good, we have the start of a very good top 6 and a bottom 6 that should be able to chip in and also play good defense. 

 

We still need somepieves but we are closer to being in the playoff hunt than we are to being bottom of the league at this point. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Silver Ghost

[Gaudette Celly]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Edler and Hughes be like ...

 

You could actually swap their faces directly in there, to either generation!  Where's @Toni Zamboni at??

 

 

[kanucks25]

59 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Myers is big, so he will most likely play at his current level.  Gardiner is already showing signs of breaking down.  But yes, Gardiner is currently the better player.  Just for how long though?  

Myers doesn't exactly have a clean injury himself.

 

Either way, it doesn't really make sense to sign one of these players now that are probably going to be coming out of their primes in 3-4 years which is when our window should be opening. Which is yet another good reason to stay away from these kinds of contracts.

[Dr. Crossbar]

17 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

You could actually swap their faces directly in there, to either generation!  Where's @Toni Zamboni at??

 

 

Alex Biega as ... Crazy Cooter ...

 

[FlyLow_]

6 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Is Myers really that bad?

 

In the playoffs I thought he was pretty good for Winnipeg.

It's really his reads and decision making in his own end. This was a constant problem when he was with the Sabres and playing higher up in the line-up than he did with the Jets. If you saw when the Jets had injuries on their defense and he had to play top minutes it was a real problem. There's no doubt he brings size, a bit of offense and some grit that we sorely need, but he's not going to move the needle towards a defense that doesn't give up too many shots and high quality chances. I think at what he made on his last contract you can live with him, but at what he's going to get paid in this d-man starved ufa market, it's a hard pass for me.

 

Much rather target Stralman or a trade for Colin Miller (never have enough Miller's) and one of Gunnarsson or Chiarot for depth. I do think Benning is going all in on Myers though, unfortunately. At least he's only the 3rd worst option I can think of.

[cyoung]

4 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

Myers doesn't exactly have a clean injury himself.

 

Either way, it doesn't really make sense to sign one of these players now that are probably going to be coming out of their primes in 3-4 years which is when our window should be opening. Which is yet another good reason to stay away from these kinds of contracts.

He's played over 70 games every year since 2013-2014...he's been very consistent.

[kanucks25]

22 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said:

Who he is an upgrade over isnt really the point. It is whether he adds something we need. And he definitely does. Again, depending on the cost and term.

 

You seem to be the king of the strawman. Who cares if he is better than Buff or Trouba? He is better than Stecher and Tanev at what we would need him for. And when called upon to move up the lineup in Winnipeg he actually responded and played much better at both ends. 

 

If we get Myers our D is better. Thats the bottom line. Just depends on if the contract makes sense. He would arguably be our 3rd best dman immediately.

 

When did I say we werent in a position to add picks? Read what i actually said there bud.

 

As far as competing, this team is probably closer than you think it is. If we add one or two better D that is. Our goaltending is good, we have the start of a very good top 6 and a bottom 6 that should be able to chip in and also play good defense. 

 

We still need somepieves but we are closer to being in the playoff hunt than we are to being bottom of the league at this point. 

If Myers was as good as you think he is, Winnipeg and other teams would be scrambling to sign him. That's not what's happening though; what's happening is that most people on the outside looking in are saying "good luck, have fun with that contract."

 

The depth chart matters; there's a salary cap limit and a roster player limit. You can't just keep as many players as you want. Myers' impact will be small compared to his cap-hit.

 

This is just a case of people recognizing a name and wanting a shiny new toy without really thinking too deeply into it. Every year when UFA period comes around: "we should sign this guy! we should sign that guy!" 

 

You can think we're close all you want but it makes more sense to deal in facts and if you google "NHL standings" and look at the past say, 5 years, the facts paint quite a clear picture.

 

Tyler freaking Myers isn't the difference between us making the playoffs and not or being a good team and not and the marginal improvement he'll bring will not in any way outweigh his albatross of a contract.

[kanucks25]

2 minutes ago, cyoung said:

He's played over 70 games every year since 2013-2014...he's been very consistent.

Are we just going to ignore the entire 16/17 season?

[Me_]

9 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

If Myers was as good as you think he is, Winnipeg and other teams would be scrambling to sign him. That's not what's happening though; what's happening is that most people on the outside looking in are saying "good luck, have fun with that contract."

 

The depth chart matters; there's a salary cap limit and a roster player limit. You can't just keep as many players as you want. Myers' impact will be small compared to his cap-hit.

 

This is just a case of people recognizing a name and wanting a shiny new toy without really thinking too deeply into it. Every year when UFA period comes around: "we should sign this guy! we should sign that guy!" 

 

You can think we're close all you want but it makes more sense to deal in facts and if you google "NHL standings" and look at the past say, 5 years, the facts paint quite a clear picture.

 

Tyler freaking Myers isn't the difference between us making the playoffs and not or being a good team and not and the marginal improvement he'll bring will not in any way outweigh his albatross of a contract.

What’s happening is this is the week UFAs are allowed to go talk to teams but are still under contract with their teams until July 1st.

 

No one can talk much about anything unless they’re in the media, and until the players are actually available on July 1st.

 

 

[Silver Ghost]

11 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

If Myers was as good as you think he is, Winnipeg and other teams would be scrambling to sign him. That's not what's happening though; what's happening is that most people on the outside looking in are saying "good luck, have fun with that contract."

 

The depth chart matters; there's a salary cap limit and a roster player limit. You can't just keep as many players as you want. Myers' impact will be small compared to his cap-hit.

 

This is just a case of people recognizing a name and wanting a shiny new toy without really thinking too deeply into it. Every year when UFA period comes around: "we should sign this guy! we should sign that guy!" 

 

You can think we're close all you want but it makes more sense to deal in facts and if you google "NHL standings" and look at the past say, 5 years, the facts paint quite a clear picture.

 

Tyler freaking Myers isn't the difference between us making the playoffs and not or being a good team and not and the marginal improvement he'll bring will not in any way outweigh his albatross of a contract.

Lets tackle each of your paragraphs.

 

1. How do you know no one is scrambling to sign him? No one CAN sign him yet except Winnipeg. And you dont know if they want to or not. Maybe he doesnt want to sign there. Who knows?

 

2. Again, you talk in certainties that you have no ability to know for a fact at this point. 

 

3. Lots of people do that, but you are trying to make a biased assumption about someone else's opinions relying on name value. You have no way of knowing what I know or dont know about Tyler Myers. 

 

4. The past five years is not linked to or indicative of the next five. That only works with the Oilers. The trend is amuch better indicator, and the trend is obvious.

 

5. Once again, an assumption seemingly based on simply dislike of the player rather than objective, evidence based facts.

 

You have no way of knowing anything you have stated here with the certainty with which you state it. Thats the bottom line. 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Silver Ghost