The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Boudrias]

56 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

It does annoy me!

Just like PD saying "Quebec will pay for it." Like wtf? Doesn't even make sense. 

I fear this is turning into a bunch of uneducated people running the movement. 

We have our own issues in Alberta and Canada we don't need this Trump nonsense here and infact he hasn't been friendly to BC or Ottawa. 

If wexit supporters want BC on board I doubt the logging population would support the Trump comparisons. 

Honestly if we can scrap c48 and c69 and get pipelines built to each coast I would be on board with an autonomous Alberta within Canada.

Doubtful. 

I'm sure the intention is there but the reality of politics is a whole different game.

I just find it strange I only see the cpc get attacked on this. Hell it was JTs dad who overseen the atrocities committed against First Nation children. 

I was with early Reform and our riding was one of the first to elect a MP. Fingers were wagged at us with the 'you will elect NDP'ers' The first time we ran a NDP'er was elected in the riding but the next time out we elected a Reformer with well over 50% of the vote. As a early Reformer I can tell you that a large part of our membership were NDP'ers. They wanted a better deal for the West as much as Conservatives. I also point out that Mulroney was PM when Reform started.  I totally agree with your point about nutbars joining the fray and lowering the debate. That will happen and unfortunately it can be a deliberate act by those trying to discredit the effort. Leadership is pretty important. 

 

Whether out right separation or enhanced autonomy depends. The critical point is finding out and clarifying to Westerners how the money they send to Ottawa is spent for their benefit. You mentioned BC and logging. The fact that the USA has levied tariffs on BC lumber for a decade to the tune of +$400 million per year with no resolution should outrage all Canadians. The reality is that this industry is sacrificed regularly at the trade table for what I have to assume is eastern interests.   

 

I think I am like many Westerners. I can be labeled as a conservative but that doesn't hold up as I voted Reform and helped organize that party to throw CPC out. I am quite willing to do that again. From what I can determine the finances of this country do not work unless a steady flow of money comes from the West. It is how this country has ran ever since the trapping days. The east is never going to change that so I will vote to leave both federally (I'm in a CPC riding) and provincially (NDP riding). I doubt the BC Libs will be any different than their eastern masters on that question. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Boudrias

[kingofsurrey]

On 11/16/2019 at 10:18 AM, Ryan Strome said:

Since the majority of young people leave BC because of poor wages, health care, education and want a better opportunity to raise a family they come to Alberta how will they do that with your wall in place?

Something tells me businesses in the okanagan, east kootenays, shuswap, etc may not like your wall idea as their businesses would be broke without Alberta money. 

When i was little my family had a bit more dough than my cousins....

 

I did not want share my Big Wheel with my cousin Vinny......  no way....    I got angry and yelled about it...

 

But then again i was  A . SIX YEAR OLD......   Albertans LOL...... sniff sniff......

 

 

 

[JM_]

49 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I was with early Reform and our riding was one of the first to elect a MP. Fingers were wagged at us with the 'you will elect NDP'ers' The first time we ran a NDP'er was elected in the riding but the next time out we elected a Reformer with well over 50% of the vote. As a early Reformer I can tell you that a large part of our membership were NDP'ers. They wanted a better deal for the West as much as Conservatives. I also point out that Mulroney was PM when Reform started.  I totally agree with your point about nutbars joining the fray and lowering the debate. That will happen and unfortunately it can be a deliberate act by those trying to discredit the effort. Leadership is pretty important. 

 

Whether out right separation or enhanced autonomy depends. The critical point is finding out and clarifying to Westerners how the money they send to Ottawa is spent for their benefit. You mentioned BC and logging. The fact that the USA has levied tariffs on BC lumber for a decade to the tune of +$400 million per year with no resolution should outrage all Canadians. The reality is that this industry is sacrificed regularly at the trade table for what I have to assume is eastern interests.   

 

I think I am like many Westerners. I can be labeled as a conservative but that doesn't hold up as I voted Reform and helped organize that party to throw CPC out. I am quite willing to do that again. From what I can determine the finances of this country do not work unless a steady flow of money comes from the West. It is how this country has ran ever since the trapping days. The east is never going to change that so I will vote to leave both federally (I'm in a CPC riding) and provincially (NDP riding). I doubt the BC Libs will be any different than their eastern masters on that question. 

10% of our total GDP does not 'make the country work' thats just a massive oversimplification. All your Reformer movement did was solidify some very harmful mythology and frankly got you nothing. The oil industry investment was coming regardless of that Mr. Manning was talking about. 

 

From my pov all I can see is you prefer to be lied to out of Calgary vs Ottawa. A person has to be willfully ignorant imo to think #wexit will produce a better country. 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[JM_]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

That's a federal disaster for the cpc but I wouldn't be shocked to see wexit win in Alberta and tbh you guys have two terrible parties...could wexit win in BC doubtful, however they could hold the balance of power in a minority situation.

maybe on the math from election night, but there's no way they'd get anything nutty passed. They'd probably inspire the NDP and Liberals to have a better working relationship. 

 

The Bloc only has some influence because an independent Quebec is actually feasible. An independent Alberta isn't. Well, a successful one isn't. 

 

I see more lies coming out of Kenney and #wexit guy than Ottawa right now too, but some people like it more it seems if the liar in in their postal code for some reason. 

[Boudrias]

16 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

10% of our total GDP does not 'make the country work' thats just a massive oversimplification. All your Reformer movement did was solidify some very harmful mythology and frankly got you nothing. The oil industry investment was coming regardless of that Mr. Manning was talking about. 

 

From my pov all I can see is you prefer to be lied to out of Calgary vs Ottawa. A person has to be willfully ignorant imo to think #wexit will produce a better country. 

 

 

 

Good for you then, since you won't have much to worry about. If you consider the portion of GDP as the bottom line as to contribution to the country's finances there isn't much to talk about.   

[Ryan Strome]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

maybe on the math from election night, but there's no way they'd get anything nutty passed. They'd probably inspire the NDP and Liberals to have a better working relationship. 

 

The Bloc only has some influence because an independent Quebec is actually feasible. An independent Alberta isn't. Well, a successful one isn't. 

 

I see more lies coming out of Kenney and #wexit guy than Ottawa right now too, but some people like it more it seems if the liar in in their postal code for some reason. 

I don't know what PD was saying when he said Quebec will pay for it. Where has he been they are a have not province they ain't paying for squat.

I also disagree on Quebec being successful, they would be forced to open up their shale industry. Sure culturally I'm sure they would be successful but financially I think they would struggle. 

 

I also disagree when you say an independent Alberta wouldn't work. Sure Ottawa will toll TMX and it would also be sold at a reduced rate but at least we would ship more which would also drive the price up a bit. So same deal as now but we make more money and save all the money we send Ottawa.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

Good for you then, since you won't have much to worry about. If you consider the portion of GDP as the bottom line as to contribution to the country's finances there isn't much to talk about.   

You also mentioned western Canada which makes up more than 10%. Jimmy used just one industry, but even then he doesn't realize the trickle down effect that industry has on so many other industries. 

[JM_]

9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I don't know what PD was saying when he said Quebec will pay for it. Where has he been they are a have not province they ain't paying for squat.

I also disagree on Quebec being successful, they would be forced to open up their shale industry. Sure culturally I'm sure they would be successful but financially I think they would struggle. 

 

I also disagree when you say an independent Alberta wouldn't work. Sure Ottawa will toll TMX and it would also be sold at a reduced rate but at least we would ship more which would also drive the price up a bit. So same deal as now but we make more money and save all the money we send Ottawa.

You're assuming BC doesn't vote in a party that shuts the thing down. There's so many things that would have to go perfectly for AB to make it break even. Its just a silly idea when you break it down beyond a single pipeline.

 

My guess is Quebec would gladly open that industry up in the name of country building. 

[JM_]

13 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Good for you then, since you won't have much to worry about. If you consider the portion of GDP as the bottom line as to contribution to the country's finances there isn't much to talk about.   

I don't buy into the pity party mythology that Alberta carries us all. The old Reformer flame might still burn in pockets around the west but its even more useless of a philosophy today than it was when it began. 

[kingofsurrey]

Canada needs a strong leader....

 

[Alflives]

9 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Canada needs a strong leader....

 

I heard JT say he was bullied a lot as a kid, so he took up boxing to build some confidence.  Then he boxed a much bigger MP (forgot his name) and did really well.  

[RUPERTKBD]

On 11/16/2019 at 3:23 PM, Ryan Strome said:

Scrap c48 and c69 and get pipelines in both directions, build an energy corridor and this isn't a discussion nor is separation. We should look to restructure equalization but the very easy offer I made seems to be a better option. As an offer I would even except the carbon tax back.(Notleys)

Omg I can't believe I said that!

I'm a bit confused as to why you continue to complain about C48. The North Coast doesn't have a shipping facility, so you're basically worrying about a bill that makes zero difference in anyone's life. In addition to that, there was a voluntary moratorium in place for decades prior to C48. All JT did was formalize something that had been observed for years. It's also worth noting that he promised to do so, before he was elected in 2015.

 

Besides, you don't need BC or Quebec. Work out a deal with Saskatchewan and Manitoba (sorry, Peopletoba) and build a pipeline to Churchill and ship overseas from Hudson's Bay....

[Warhippy]

On 11/16/2019 at 6:32 AM, Ryan Strome said:

You want it? Nothing is hidden...

It's why Jimmy decided to argue equalization as a whole.

None of those things require a constitutional amendment. I know through your jealousy you can't wrap your head around this but Alberta doesn't need Ottawa or Canada but Canada and Ottawa needs Alberta. 

Well JK didn't personally create the formula nor did I vote cpc and I also didn't vote for Kenney. You really are ridiculous by your logic you voted BC liberal because they were in power in BC. Hip the king of whataboutism and generalizing..

Strome:  Alberta doesn't want to leave, I never personally said Alberta wants to leave

Strome 2 hours later:  Alberta is leaving, why shouldn't Alberta leave?

Strome:  Kenney and the former CPC screwed Alberta there's a reason they got voted out

Also Strome: The CPC and the 70% remaining MPs from the former CPC run should have won, at least Kenney is helping Alberta

Strrome:  You're generalizing everything, you don't add anything to the conversation

Everyone:  introduces facts, statements and argument disputing, discounting or outright disproving Stromes opinions

Strome:  You all voted Liberal, and are NDP socialist communist yankees

 

Sure.  Stay fluid RS

 

[Warhippy]

8 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'd suggest you haven't been looking very hard. We have one of the best standards of living on the planet. 

Well, whenever I hear people claim that the nation has been destroyed, the nation is a laughing stock, nobody likes/respects Canada or any of that nonsense.  I remember that facts do not seem to ever mirror their opinions.  But I still love hearing how terrible this nation is doing lately according to some.

 

https://business.financialpost.com/entrepreneur/exclusive-canada-named-top-nation-for-entrepreneurs-doing-good-in-global-poll-as-us-falls

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/6071253/canada-women-equality-world-ranking/

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

 

https://www.goodcountry.org/index/results

 

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2019/10/01/working-millennial-ranking-canada/

 

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2019/07/02/futurebrand-country-index-canada-top-ten/

 

 

[kingofsurrey]

5 hours ago, Alflives said:

I heard JT say he was bullied a lot as a kid, so he took up boxing to build some confidence.  Then he boxed a much bigger MP (forgot his name) and did really well.  

Scheer looks more like a tibit 

[aGENT]

9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I fear this is turning into a bunch of uneducated people running the movement. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

6 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I'm a bit confused as to why you continue to complain about C48. The North Coast doesn't have a shipping facility, so you're basically worrying about a bill that makes zero difference in anyone's life. In addition to that, there was a voluntary moratorium in place for decades prior to C48. All JT did was formalize something that had been observed for years. It's also worth noting that he promised to do so, before he was elected in 2015.

 

Besides, you don't need BC or Quebec. Work out a deal with Saskatchewan and Manitoba (sorry, Peopletoba) and build a pipeline to Churchill and ship overseas from Hudson's Bay....

There was a moratorium in place. C48 was not needed. Churchill eh? So what about the months it's frozen?

 

5 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Strome:  Alberta doesn't want to leave, I never personally said Alberta wants to leave

Strome 2 hours later:  Alberta is leaving, why shouldn't Alberta leave?

Strome:  Kenney and the former CPC screwed Alberta there's a reason they got voted out

Also Strome: The CPC and the 70% remaining MPs from the former CPC run should have won, at least Kenney is helping Alberta

Strrome:  You're generalizing everything, you don't add anything to the conversation

Everyone:  introduces facts, statements and argument disputing, discounting or outright disproving Stromes opinions

Strome:  You all voted Liberal, and are NDP socialist communist yankees

 

Sure.  Stay fluid RS

 

Ya I said none of that. You notice I hardly respond to you? 

Btw in your spare time from taking pictures maybe look up what facts are.

[Ryan Strome]

 

10 hours ago, Alflives said:

I heard JT say he was bullied a lot as a kid, so he took up boxing to build some confidence.  Then he boxed a much bigger MP (forgot his name) and did really well.  

It was a cracked out senator. Patrick Brazzeau.

I doubt he was bullied as a kid. He likely had a security detail his whole life.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Ryan Strome

[RUPERTKBD]

6 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

There was a moratorium in place. C48 was not needed. Churchill eh? So what about the months it's frozen?

1) So what? What actual difference does it make?

 

2) Fffttt...with that people like that Orange clown in the WH and so many citizens who still deny AGW, that will be an ice-free port by the time you 'Bertans finish building it.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

It was a cracked out senator. Patrick Brazzeau.

Yeah he was bigger than pretty boy but ALOT older as well.  He didn’t do much if any training and didn’t take the “match” seriously.  Pretty boy on the other hand did.  Results were predictable.

 

The bullying incident was an joke made by Matthew Perry....