Dogbyte Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Lately I've heard people complain about us giving up 2nd round picks like candy (which is true), so I thought I'd do some research on it and see just what we gave up on. The following are our 2nd picks since 2005 (even though Gillis started in 2008), I've gone back that far as too include Mason Raymond, who is the only second round pick since then that is an NHL'er. 2013 ? 2012 Mallet 2011 ? 2010 ? 2009 Rodin 2008 Sauve 2007 Ellington 2006 ? 2005 Mason Raymond First off I would like to reference an article which counts that about 63% of first rounders turned into career players from 1990-1999, and after that the later rounds are a crap shoot at best. Overall first rounders account for about 32% of the NHL draft. In conclusion it states that only about 25% of second rounders make the NHL. In the last 9 years we've had 5 second round picks and 1 of them have made it, or 20 percent. So if we didn't trade away those picks we might have one more Mason Raymond but that's probably it. http://proicehockey....aft_success.htm Question: How Many NHL Draft Picks Make it to the NHL? Over 200 players are selected at every NHL draft. How many of them go on to have NHL careers? What are the prospects for a player selected in the first round of the NHL Draft compared to later rounds? Answer: To properly evaluate a draft, you need a few year's distance from it. So let's look at the 1990s. To define whether a player "makes it," let's set the threshold at 200 NHL games. We'll call them "career players." Between 1990 and 1999, there were 2,600 names called at the NHL Entry Draft. As of 2007, 494 of those players have appeared in at least 200 NHL games. That's a success rate of 19 percent. But of course, not all draft picks are created equal. The guys picked in the first round are a cut above the rest: Success rate of first-round draft picks Of the 494 career players drafted in the 1990s, 160 were selected in the first round.Of those 160 career players, over half have played more than 500 NHL games.Among the older players (those drafted from 1990 to 1994), six first-round picks have made it to 1,000 games. Another couple of dozen are still active and within reach of 1,000.Based on the 1990s sample, a first-round draft pick has a 63 percent chance of being a career player.Results can vary widely from year to year:The 1993 NHL Draft produced 22 career players from 26 first-round picks.In 1999, less than half of the first-round selections went on to become career players (12 out of 28).Beyond the first round.This is where the NHL dream begins to fade in a hurry:From 1990 to 1999, about one-quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players.Those drafted in the third round and beyond are really up against it.From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent. So let's see what we missed out on. 2013 Traded their second pick for Derek Roy. And then didn't even use him as a third line center. Dallas selected goaltender Phillipe Desrosiers. 54 Dallas Philippe Desrosiers G Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 55 Montreal Artturi Lehkonen L KalPa Kuopio [sM-liiga] 56 Edmonton Marc-Olivier Roy C Blainville-Boisbriand Armada [QMJHL] 57 St. Louis William Carrier L Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 58 Detroit Tyler Bertuzzi L Guelph Storm [OHL] 59 Winnipeg Eric Comrie G Tri-City Americans [WHL] 60 Boston Linus Arnesson D Djurgarden Jrs. (Sweden) 61 Washington Zach Sanford L Middlesex Islanders [EJHL] 2011 Traded their second pick to Minnesota for two later picks. Something which is completely asinine in my opinion. It's like buying a lottery ticket. Sure you'd like to win but you don't really expect it's going to happen. Reminds of a buddy of mine that went to the Casino because he was short rent money. That pick turned into Mario Lucia, whom I've never heard of. 59 Florida Rasmus Bengtsson D Rogle BK [swe-1] 60 Minnesota Mario Lucia F Wayzata H.S. (Minn.) 61 Ottawa Shane Prince L Ottawa 67's [OHL] Round 3 62 Edmonton Samu Perhonen G JYP Jrs. (Finland) 63 NY Islanders Andrey Pedan D Guelph Storm [OHL] 64 Florida Vincent Trocheck C Saginaw Spirit [OHL] 65 Anaheim Joseph Cramarossa C Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 66 Columbus T.J. Tynan F Notre Dame [CCHA] 67 Winnipeg Adam Lowry L Swift Current Broncos [WHL] 68 Philadelphia Nick Cousins C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 70 Chicago Michael Paliotta D U.S. National Development Team [uSHL] 71 Vancouver David Honzik G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2010 Traded a second rounder for Steve Bernier. Somehow Vancouver's management fails to see that a proven goalscorer would be golden with the Sedins but I digress. That pick was traded to Columbus and became Petr Straka. 55 Columbus Petr Straka R Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 56 Minnesota Johan Larsson R Brynas Jrs. (Sweden) 57 Phoenix Oscar Lindberg C Skelleftea AIK [sEL] 58 Chicago Kent Simpson G Everett Silvertips [WHL] 59 Minnesota Jason Zucker F U.S. National Development Team [uSHL] 60 Chicago Stephen Johns D U.S. National Development Team [uSHL] Round 3 61 Edmonton Ryan Martindale C Ottawa 67's [OHL] 62 Toronto Greg McKegg C Erie Otters [OHL] 63 Tampa Bay Brock Beukeboom D Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 64 Calgary Max Reinhart C Kootenay Ice [WHL] 65 NY Islanders Kirill Kabanov R Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL] Reinhart, Kabanov, and Beukeboom are interesing. 2006 Now a lot of us bitch about the drafting history with MG, lack of WHL'ers etc., but this may be good for perspective. Canucks traded their second round pick to in 2006 to Buffalo (again) for Miko Noronen. He played in only four games for the Canucks, with a record of 1-1. He departed for Russia following the season. Terrific second round class in this year. Great job Nonis. Buffalo selected Jhonas Enroth, another goalie taken with our pick. 46 Buffalo Jhonas Enroth G Sodertalje SK [sEL] 47 Detroit Shawn Matthias C Belleville Bulls [OHL] 48 Los Angeles Joey Ryan D Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 49 Montreal Ben Maxwell C Kootenay Ice [WHL] 50 Boston Milan Lucic L Vancouver Giants [WHL] 51 Colorado Nigel Williams D US National Under 18 Team 52 Washington Keith Seabrook D Burnaby Express [bCHL] 53 Montreal Mathieu Carle D Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL] 54 NY Rangers Artem Anisimov C Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [Russia] 55 Philadelphia Denis Bodrov D Tolyatti Lada [Russia] 56 Nashville Blake Geoffrion L US National Under 18 Team 57 Buffalo Mike Weber D Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 58 New Jersey Alexander Vasyunov L Yaroslavl Jrs. (Russia) 59 Colorado Codey Burki C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 60 NY Islanders Jesse Joensuu W Assat Pori [sM-liiga] 61 Chicago Simon Danis-Pepin U. of Maine [H-East] 62 Detroit Dick Axelsson L Huddinge (Sweden) 63 Carolina Jamie McBain D US National Under 18 Team Now I'm sure everyone will point out the Lucic fail but in reality every team failed to take him earlier. I remember watching him in the Memorial Cup and I could not believe that teams weren't taking him as I watched the draft live, especially with his size. He was bigger and tougher than Lindros was. Also, Enroth, Mattias, Seabrook, and Anisimov. Respect for Blake Geoffrion (retired due to massive concussion), and Alexander Vasyunov (died in the Lokomotiv plain crash). So, in conclusion I would have to say that I don't mind trading away second round picks because it's a guessing game. I guess it all depends on what you're getting back. As you can see we haven't gotten much value for those picks. For instance this year, I actually like Roy as a player but I saw no need to go get him because we sucked, I knew we weren't going anywhere. AV had become stale and it reflected on the team. Then on top of it he doesn't even play him as the third line center when the hole was so glaringly obvious. I personally think AV was pissed that MG didn't show up for work for 12 months and go get a center so he just played Ebbett, Lapierre, Burrows, Higgins. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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