canucklehead44 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Makes sense. If Kes is checking other teams' top lines of course he will play big minutes 5 on 5, top pk unit and 1st or 2nd PP unit. He will likely lead forwards in TOI/G. I think Burrows will be moved to Kesler's line, Kassian with the twins, and the second line Booth Schroeder/Santorelli Higgins. Booth brings the high level offensive ability if he stays healthy, Higgins is a good anchor. Schroeder will be given a chance to succeed. If he flat out sucks I expect Santorelli to be slotted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightasrain Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Liked your post Baggins. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Datsyuk has had an identical arc of producing after the lockout. Some players like them get better with age, injuries withstanding. If fans have bought into the Detroit model of drafting-developing, then 4 years fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler's Nose Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 You don't stick a 5 mil player on the 3rd line, coaches always seem to make that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 People are far too caught up with line numbers. It doesn't matter if you call Schroeder's line the second line or the third line he's still going to play 13 to 15 minutes per game. Nor does it matter what number you assign to his line because he's not going to be in the shutdown role. Which leaves a secondary scoring role much like Hodgsons role during his complaint filled season. People seem to forget back in the WCE era the Sedins were called "second line" but only played 13 to 14 minutes per game while Linden's third line (in the shutdown role) played 19 to 20 minutes. Prior to Malhotra signing Kesler was both second line and shutdown line. His career year for points came while in that shutdown role. Think in terms of roles instead of line numbers... Sedins - primary scoring - 19 minutes Schroeder - secondary scoring - 14 minutes Kesler - shutdown - 20 minutes Richardson - energy line - 7 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Problem is whatever the line combos, I see the line that Kesler is on as the second line. If that's the shutdown line (3rd line) or not, it will still be playing more than the "second line" unless we sign a legit 2nd line c...maybe if Roy stayed. Even if some of our young guys show some "stuff" in 2nd line c role, we are a cap struggling team throwing a 5m cap hit player on the third line? This is gonna be goalie controversy all over again if Schroeder (etc) actually performs well in the 2c role. Kes seems to be fairly egotistical, can't imagine he'd be pleased with this. This seems desperate to me to get some kind of hype going for the season. If its legit, this season is gonna be another disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 You don't stick a 5 mil player on the 3rd line, coaches always seem to make that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 2nd and 3rd overall picks though and they weren't exactly knocking anybody down the depth chart at the time especially with just 13 minutes a game on average.(essentially third liners actually) Perspective (and being correct) is an important part of any argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 You do realise, as pointed out in several other comments in this thread, that Kesler would get MORE playing time on the 3rd line as a shutdown line than he would on the second line as a secondary scoring option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckClown Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Booth Kesler Kassian/Burrows seems like the logical choice - lets not let logic get in the way tho. Instea lets split the twins, move Kesler to the wing and promote two young, unproven up and comers to top centre line roles. That will work out well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecomaker54 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I love Kes but the chances of Kes regaining his 41 goal season is over. 15 of those 41 goals that he scored in the 2010-2011 season were on the powerplay and since the NHL is becoming more stingier on penalties chances are he won`t score that many. Not to mention all of his injuries came after that year, It`s true this is his first healthy offseason since then but the guy is so injury prone. He CAN`T avoid injuries because of the way he plays, he is a heart and soul kinda player and will go balls out every night. Also his role on the team is HUGE, he`s on the PK, PP, and plays against the opponents best players on a shut down line, not to mention he plays an Avg. 23 mins each game. By sheer math its crazy to believe the guy has the energy to play night after night. At this point I would rather have Kes be on the third line this year and have a more relaxed role this year just so the canucks can keep him fresh throughout the season and to keep him fresh in general because in 2 -4 years Kes is going to be playing on the top line. Let Gaunce and/or Schroeder get those top 6 ice times NOW and get them used to playing a bigger role on this team because in a few years they WILL be playing on that second line (assuming that we don't make a trade to get a second line center after Hank retires). Case and point: I LOVE the idea of Kesler being on the third line, it'll give our younger guys a chance to step up, prove their worth, and give them a taste of top 6 ice times, while also regulating Kesler's ice time without the risk of him getting injured from playing those extra minutes night in and night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 When was Schroeder a point producing center LAST? In 2011 he tipped the scale at just over a .50 point per game player in the AHL and now you want him to be a 2C on team that is 'stacked' ahead of him? Sorry, I believe Gaunce and Horvat make this team before Schroeder does. 3c and 4c that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I'm not saying we shouldn't take time to develop players, I guess my point was some people think the purpose of the season is to make one young guy a star at the expense of the team's success. They need a chance but as Torts said in his interview, he'll work with youth "as long as its not going to hurt their development, and they will send them down if they need to get more minutes." It's a team sport and players need to earn their ice time. It's just a pet peeve of mine when fans howl about our rookies getting more time when, quite frankly, they don't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Even the twins themselves said they didn't deserve all the ice-time they got initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 When was Schroeder a point producing center LAST? In 2011 he tipped the scale at just over a .50 point per game player in the AHL and now you want him to be a 2C on team that is 'stacked' ahead of him? Sorry, I believe Gaunce and Horvat make this team before Schroeder does. 3c and 4c that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I don't think Schroeder will be able to effectively fill any center position we have. I would love to be proven wrong, but I can't see him going up against the other 2nd line centers in the league. Camp will tell us a lot more, but Gaunce or Horvat may have a better chance at playing 2nd line minutes than Schroeder. Sedin Sedin Kassian Booth Horvat/Gaunce Burrows Higgins Kesler Hansen Fourth Frickin Line I am still not so hot on that second line. Booth kind of irks me. I wonder if another one of our young guys can make the 2nd line. It seems doubtful, but there is more uncertainty going in to this season than any since AV arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntown01 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Why not both? 3rd line centre and 1st line PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I love Kes but the chances of Kes regaining his 41 goal season is over. 15 of those 41 goals that he scored in the 2010-2011 season were on the powerplay and since the NHL is becoming more stingier on penalties chances are he won`t score that many. Not to mention all of his injuries came after that year, It`s true this is his first healthy offseason since then but the guy is so injury prone. He CAN`T avoid injuries because of the way he plays, he is a heart and soul kinda player and will go balls out every night. Also his role on the team is HUGE, he`s on the PK, PP, and plays against the opponents best players on a shut down line, not to mention he plays an Avg. 23 mins each game. By sheer math its crazy to believe the guy has the energy to play night after night. At this point I would rather have Kes be on the third line this year and have a more relaxed role this year just so the canucks can keep him fresh throughout the season and to keep him fresh in general because in 2 -4 years Kes is going to be playing on the top line. Let Gaunce and/or Schroeder get those top 6 ice times NOW and get them used to playing a bigger role on this team because in a few years they WILL be playing on that second line (assuming that we don't make a trade to get a second line center after Hank retires). Case and point: I LOVE the idea of Kesler being on the third line, it'll give our younger guys a chance to step up, prove their worth, and give them a taste of top 6 ice times, while also regulating Kesler's ice time without the risk of him getting injured from playing those extra minutes night in and night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 wow. we traded cody to put kesler on the 3rd line and have no #2 C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uller34 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Hmmm everyone seems to think if Kess does move to a shutdown roll that Schroeder CAN'T fill in offensively. Not saying he will; but stop putting size as a reason he can't. you insult Cliff Ronning,Doug Gilmour, Theo Fluery and all the other small forwards and Centers who have made it big or made top 40 in points for atleast the one year. Did being smaller his whole career suddenly change meaning??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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