Horvat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah, it's sad that a player in his draft +1 year (especially one as good as Virtanen) gets stuck with icetime in the mid-teens. If I'm remembering correctly, he also averaged like 13-15 minutes in his draft year, so he's not even playing that much more than he was last season. Here I thought Greg Chase being traded would allow Virtanen to pick up some more minutes... Guy scored 50 goals in 67 games in his draft year, then scored a goal per game pace in the regular season and playoffs the next season (81g in 81GP). He also had 5 goals and 6 assists in 7 games at the World Juniors. And he's 6'5 205 lbs... I hate to admit it but that's a much better looking resumé than Shinkaruk's over the past 2 years. im talking about mantha but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunce Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah, it's sad that a player in his draft +1 year (especially one as good as Virtanen) gets stuck with icetime in the mid-teens. If I'm remembering correctly, he also averaged like 13-15 minutes in his draft year, so he's not even playing that much more than he was last season. Here I thought Greg Chase being traded would allow Virtanen to pick up some more minutes... Guy scored 50 goals in 67 games in his draft year, then scored a goal per game pace in the regular season and playoffs the next season (81g in 81GP). He also had 5 goals and 6 assists in 7 games at the World Juniors. And he's 6'5 205 lbs... I hate to admit it but that's a much better looking resumé than Shinkaruk's over the past 2 years. I think it also alleviates concern when comparing his stats to those of his peers. Btw dude I miss your prospect videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 like shinkaruk? very good comparable, but nobody talks about him around the nhl.... im talking about mantha but ok. My bad, but by the way you phrased your original post, it sounds like you're asking why Shinkaruk isn't getting talked about around the league in comparison to Mantha. I think it also alleviates concern when comparing his stats to those of his peers. Btw dude I miss your prospect videos Some people just compare points and fail to realize that there are many variables to each players' season. The league, the team, the allocated icetime, injury situation, etc. Yeah, I did more videos during the World Juniors than I expected so I'm going to leave that for a while. If a prospect has a really good game I may put a video together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorevat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'd love to see Jake go to Kelowna next year. Seriously would be amazing to see him regularly Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VANcanucks92 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Here is a video you guys might like, its a single game highlight package of a recent game showing most of Virtanens shifts, its a great example of his speed and skill and how he can look downright dominating at times, he also scored 2 goals that night, but its his speed and skill that really stand out in this video, enjoy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah like ive said Jakes main concern going forward is coaching and development. He has all the tools. Most likely if he has a good camp next season, he will make the Canucks. Benning rather get ahold of him then let him learn more bad habits in junior. Whenever Jake makes the jump into the big leagues, he's going to have to adjust to the role that he's going to receive (see Horvat). If there's one thing we learned in the WJCs is that he's not ready to be slotted into the bottom six role, at least not now (because lets face it, he's not gonna break into the Canucks top six in his first year). I understand that it's a habit of CDC to want our flavour-of-the-year prospects to break into the first team but Jake will most likely go the AHL way... and there's nothing wrong with that, Utica will teach him many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Whenever Jake makes the jump into the big leagues, he's going to have to adjust to the role that he's going to receive (see Horvat). If there's one thing we learned in the WJCs is that he's not ready to be slotted into the bottom six role, at least not now (because lets face it, he's not gonna break into the Canucks top six in his first year). I understand that it's a habit of CDC to want our flavour-of-the-year prospects to break into the first team but Jake will most likely go the AHL way... and there's nothing wrong with that, Utica will teach him many things. But Utica isn't a possibility next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Whenever Jake makes the jump into the big leagues, he's going to have to adjust to the role that he's going to receive (see Horvat). If there's one thing we learned in the WJCs is that he's not ready to be slotted into the bottom six role, at least not now (because lets face it, he's not gonna break into the Canucks top six in his first year). I understand that it's a habit of CDC to want our flavour-of-the-year prospects to break into the first team but Jake will most likely go the AHL way... and there's nothing wrong with that, Utica will teach him many things. From what I've seen of Jake he's a good 3-4 years from being an NHL player. He isn't like Horvat where he understands how to play the game properly. He needs a lot of coaching on his positional play and decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Whenever Jake makes the jump into the big leagues, he's going to have to adjust to the role that he's going to receive (see Horvat). If there's one thing we learned in the WJCs is that he's not ready to be slotted into the bottom six role, at least not now (because lets face it, he's not gonna break into the Canucks top six in his first year). I understand that it's a habit of CDC to want our flavour-of-the-year prospects to break into the first team but Jake will most likely go the AHL way... and there's nothing wrong with that, Utica will teach him many things. jake cant play in the ahl, he will stay with us then go to the world jrs then hopefully get traded from calgary and returned to the dub on a contending team an go for the cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 STats...blah blah blah blah....Potential derp derp.....iqz...wutdafook? Virtanen is a local guy(this does matter, heart can't be taught), skates hard and fast, hits and can put the puck in the net.... O yeah and he is a kid that is built like a man....Any doubt of this guy's worth, work ethic or future in the NHL is a complete moron. People complain about his performance in the WJHC...I see a guy that accepted a role on a team and performed it o the best of his abillity...Next year, when Jake is 1 year older I am sure a bigger offensive role will be placed on him and he will be ready to accept and perform that role. Patience is a word many CDC'ers need to look up the definition too...also learn to pour a decent Burt Reynold's shot LOL exactly. At least they aren't throwing themselves off of bridges anymore though. Go to the start of the thread if you want to see some serious QQing. Just wait until he suits up for his first preseason game with a 'nucks jersey on. About ten seconds after he blows up the first guy the bandwagon will be loaded for bear....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 From what I've seen of Jake he's a good 3-4 years from being an NHL player. He isn't like Horvat where he understands how to play the game properly. He needs a lot of coaching on his positional play and decision making. funny how benning said with a good summer of conditioning virtanen could push for a spot next yr but i guess your a nhl gm and you know better lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 funny how benning said with a good summer of conditioning virtanen could push for a spot next yr but i guess your a nhl gm and you know better lol Lol. Of course benning is going to pump his prospects. There is no way an 18 year old Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Lol. Of course benning is going to pump his prospects. There is no way an 18 year old Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. Its not that, its just that Virtanen is big enough to play in the NHL, but I would also want Virtanen to develop slowly; however, could he make our 3rd line better next year? Edited January 14, 2015 by desiboynux4lifee******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) But Utica isn't a possibility next year. jake cant play in the ahl, he will stay with us then go to the world jrs then hopefully get traded from calgary and returned to the dub on a contending team an go for the cup I know he's not available for the AHL. He's simply not going to go straight from the WHL to the NHL. He hasn't shown the consistency and skill level to make that kind of jump. I'd say that it'll be a good 2-4 years before we see him have a shot at the Canucks roster. Its not that, its just that Virtanen is big enough to play in the NHL, but I would also want Virtanen to develop slowly; however, could he make our 3rd line better next year? lol you don't make the NHL just because you're big, even under a size-driven GM like Benning. Edited January 14, 2015 by guntrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) I know he's not available for the AHL. He's simply not going to go straight from the WHL to the NHL. He hasn't shown the consistency and skill level to make that kind of jump. I'd say that it'll be a good 2-4 years before we see him have a shot at the Canucks roster. lol you don't make the NHL just because you're big, even under a size-driven GM like Benning. Well go text Mr Benning about his plan with the kid lol Its not me saying this. its Benning who believes Virtanen can make it. Like I said before I want him to develop slowly. Edited January 14, 2015 by desiboynux4lifee******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 WD has said in the past he doesn't like to have teenagers on the team however Bo was able to change his mind because of his excellent defensive game. If Virtanen can find a way to round out his defensive game so that he can be adequate in his own zone and still maintain that speedy, aggressive, offensive game, I think he would give WD a hard dilemma. If anything Virtanen is everything right now that this team needs. Speed, sandpaper, and most importantly offense. will be fun to watch him progress through the rest of this season and heading into training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lol. Of course benning is going to pump his prospects. There is no way an 18 year old Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. I agree that there is a slim (at best) chance of Desjardins inserting an 18 year old, who needs work on defense no less, into his lineup. Could he improve his defensive-side? Sure, but we don't know for certain so we've got to predict with what we've got. That being said, I think that 4 years is a little far. My estimation is that he comes to next year's camp then gets sent back to the WHL accordingly. He'll play out his last year of Junior and get the chance to join the Comets once his season is over. I think he will seriously challenge for a spot in the following training camp. But even if he impresses at next season's camp, you can be fairly certain that Desjardins would much prefer Vrbata/Burrows/Hansen and even Kassian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lol. Of course benning is going to pump his prospects. There is no way an 18 year old Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. I agree he will get his 9 games and get sent packing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Small detail: Virtanen would be 19 in next year's training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy_shoes Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 if jake plays in the NHL next year, what's his cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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