Guest Dasein Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Claim him!!! JK. Didn't expect him to crack a deep Minnesota team. Could be the first of many trips where he is sent down on waivers without being picked up. Career AHLer if he can't figure it out in the next 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The other red flag on Schroeder is when homer analysts started diving deep into microscopic corsi sample sizes in order to prop up his apparent two-way ability, despite his obvious lack of strength and overall defensive ability. Seriously saw an article that focused on corsi numbers on one game... vs. the Buffalo Sabres! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Why we passed on O'Rielly or Silfverberg I'll never know. Having said that there were a few busts from that year When you realize that Mike Gillis was going to pick Anton Rodin (our 2nd round pick) at 22nd overall if Jordan Schroeder didn't fall to us... That would have been our Jankowski moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Selecting an impish 'top-6 or bust' type who fell hard in the draft at that point in time was a pretty bad idea, not that it's a good idea at any time. When the Canucks decided to develop him into a 'defensive player' at the AHL level, you kinda knew it was over. Remember when he made Hodgson redundant? Lol. Centers we passed over: Marcus Johansson - basically a bigger, Swedish version of Schroeder that has some NHL-level skill. Landon Ferraro - similar to Schroeder in most regards, but is in Detroit's system rather than ours. Ryan O'Reilly - The 'safe' pick. NHL ready at draft, he's basically what we hope Horvat becomes. If we had this guy available to us during our 2011 cup run (880k cap hit), that would have altered our destiny. This to me illustrates why the safe pick is usually the best pick, esp. when compared to the EXTREMELY risky pick that Schroeder was. I thought Gillis was a smart guy, but man he made some really bonehead decisions at draft, like he made incredibly daft decisions on purpose. Here's hoping Benning doesn't emulate this anytime soon. Virtanen is a good start, imho. But... Nylander or Ehlers sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intoewsables Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If Ryan O'Reilly was as much of a sure thing as you guys seem to think, he would have gone a lot earlier than he did. The consensus best players on the board at the time of our pick were Schroeder and John Moore, and Schroeder not developing as expected doesn't mean he was a stupid pick unless you had access to a time machine in 2009. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If Ryan O'Reilly was as much of a sure thing as you guys seem to think, he would have gone a lot earlier than he did. The consensus best players on the board at the time of our pick were Schroeder and John Moore, and Schroeder not developing as expected doesn't mean he was a stupid pick unless you had access to a time machine in 2009. It happens. Yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Anyway, I hope He gets his career on track, Maybe as a cheap PK specialist, if he has the tenacity to try that, He certainly has the speed Same here. I also agree with you that the size issue is overstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure to Mogilny Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If Ryan O'Reilly was as much of a sure thing as you guys seem to think, he would have gone a lot earlier than he did. The consensus best players on the board at the time of our pick were Schroeder and John Moore, and Schroeder not developing as expected doesn't mean he was a stupid pick unless you had access to a time machine in 2009. It happens. Yeah still imagine what are team would of looked like in 2011 cup run with him. Would be nuts him on second or third line would be dinomite As for minny dumping him down i knew it would happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly_Paragon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I am so happy that Gillis is gone and that we now have a dedicated, hardworking GM/Scout that has a knack and great insight for evaluating and handling young talent. Benning fits this organization like a glove. I am so relieved that he oversees the development of these young stars in the making, because they are the future. Benning has a master plan, and he will execute it to perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If Ryan O'Reilly was as much of a sure thing as you guys seem to think, he would have gone a lot earlier than he did. The consensus best players on the board at the time of our pick were Schroeder and John Moore, and Schroeder not developing as expected doesn't mean he was a stupid pick unless you had access to a time machine in 2009. It happens.Schroeder falling in the draft was a pretty big hint. If he was the best pick based on offense alone, (because really, what else would it be for?) then he would've gone much earlier himself. John Moore wasn't a factor for us, as he was selected before Schroeder, but just looking at all the centers available to us at the time, it seemed that ROR had NHL-ready size and his skating wasn't an issue. Right off the bat a much safer pick, at least among the centers available. He totally seemed like a Horvat, who is now our best prospect.But... Nylander or Ehlers sighExactly. Both are lightweight top-6 or bust types. Their development into one-dimensional NHL stars is not secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I think he will be a pretty good player....in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFastOne21 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Poor Shredder... We should trade Edler for him...Seems like a legit return. Maybe transform Shred to a PMD we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KassianBeastMode Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I had read he was feisty, and was really looking to him to be our Ronning of the future, Personally I think the size issue is over stated, it's passion, discipline, and enjoyment of the game, that brings out the best in people. Jordan never played with passion or enjoyment, At least when I watched him. Ya exactly....I noticed the same...and for smaller players, they need to in order to overcome that size differential, its effectively their 'push' manifesting itself in behaviour. Think of all the small successful players in the NHL Denis Savard - immense passion, tireless worker Theoren Fleury Gallagher Marty St Louis Ronning Etc, all play(ed) with a 'fire' ...I loved Schroeder but its not just about linemates as some here have mentioned, he just didn't seem to realize that as a smaller player he needed to overcome that small player bias via his effort and drive... As a smaller player you actually have to work harder than the average NHL'er to make it, I don't think he's realized he needs to do that. Not that he's not a hard worked, simply he has to out work everyone to be noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Did Elliott clear? I'm surprised we don't have a waivers thread this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Did Elliott clear? I'm surprised we don't have a waivers thread this season. I don't recall having a Waivers Thread in the past years. I think we did have one last year, but it got locked as one of the moderators said, 'separate threads are fine'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Phaneuf Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Still wish we took Marcus Johansson. Schroeder was a risky pick IMO that didn't pay off but he was still someone who was on my little list when we were on the clock in 2009 He probably won't crack the Wild roster. They have better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Still can produce in the right offensive situation, but needs to prove it once again in minors to get a chance. So could I, in front of the net on a line with Gretzky and Messier. Problem with Schroeder, and others on our team currently, is they cannot create offence on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 When you realize that Mike Gillis was going to pick Anton Rodin (our 2nd round pick) at 22nd overall if Jordan Schroeder didn't fall to us... That would have been our Jankowski moment. The horror..the horror.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Shirokov Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Selecting an impish 'top-6 or bust' type who fell hard in the draft at that point in time was a pretty bad idea, not that it's a good idea at any time. When the Canucks decided to develop him into a 'defensive player' at the AHL level, you kinda knew it was over. Remember when he made Hodgson redundant? Lol. Centers we passed over: Marcus Johansson - basically a bigger, Swedish version of Schroeder that has some NHL-level skill. Landon Ferraro - similar to Schroeder in most regards, but is in Detroit's system rather than ours. Ryan O'Reilly - The 'safe' pick. NHL ready at draft, he's basically what we hope Horvat becomes. If we had this guy available to us during our 2011 cup run (880k cap hit), that would have altered our destiny. This to me illustrates why the safe pick is usually the best pick, esp. when compared to the EXTREMELY risky pick that Schroeder was. I thought Gillis was a smart guy, but man he made some really bonehead decisions at draft, like he made incredibly daft decisions on purpose. Here's hoping Benning doesn't emulate this anytime soon. Virtanen is a good start, imho. JS was the safe pick. Almost every credible ranking had him in the Top 15 and sometimes Top 10. He had been a star for the world junior team. I understand why Gillis would have picked him. I remember at the time, the media and fans were lauding Gillis for picking JS, touting him as a potential franchise player. The organization had received tremendous criticism for passing on David Perron and Anze Kopitar from the previous regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This dwarf tossing is merely a gratuitous, tawdry spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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