Gaudette Celly Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 the Kassian fanclub is in full panic mode It's hard for me not to gloat with Kassian being a multiple healthy scratch....but Im trying. As I was saying -- cult. Borderline mental illness and in the very least duplicity to call themselves fans of the team with comments like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 OK maybe I may not be caught up to date on how he plays, u got me there but bieksa has been by far one of our worst Dmen so give corrado a chance to step in. Need to inject youth into the line up anywaysA lot of us knock Bieksa but he has been pulling the second amount of ice time on the back end for most of the nights since Hammer was injured.He is flawed as in not the most mobile but he is a very good defender.Juice is going to benefit having Dan back beside him because he is probably in some of the best shape in his career after working through these past 22 games with Sbisa and the gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 As I was saying -- cult. Borderline mental illness and in the very least duplicity to call themselves fans of the team with comments like these.You don't have to single out any individual over the support of an entire team/franchise.Most every Canuck comes and goes."Cult" and "mental illness" could just as easily be leveled against those in the Kassian fan boy club.Kassian has been a sideshow distraction since he arrived. That was placed upon him under the circumstances but the emphasis should always be on making the team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 the Kassian fanclub is in full panic mode Well, if this is the sort of thing which you need to make you feel good then I'm happy for you. If Kassian is traded, then he's traded. It would be a sad thing to see him go. I believe he's going to be a very good player in another year (or two). Kassian wouldn't be the first guy who was acquired a team and later moved moved to yet a third team within a few years of the original trade. The Canucks handily won the first trade involving Kassian. I feel pretty confident that they will win the second trade as well (should that occur). regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I dont know if you will be gloating when he goes elsewhere and turns it on after we give up on him. I think posters of his sort would view it as just more grist for the mill. The avenue of approach changes to one of the team not managing or developing assets properly. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 A better choice of words would be "we shouldn't trade any of our picks and prospects." If there's a deal for you to get a young proven player back, then I'm all up for trading a prospect or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 the fact that he benning said one more year of a good draft indicates to me that he won't really trade unless he gets a couple of picks back... perhaps to restock the picks he used for dorsett and vey..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You don't have to single out any individual over the support of an entire team/franchise. Most every Canuck comes and goes."Cult" and "mental illness" could just as easily be leveled against those in the Kassian fan boy club. Kassian has been a sideshow distraction since he arrived. That was placed upon him under the circumstances but the emphasis should always be on making the team better. a.k.a. projection Some very simple questions about Kassian's role, play, numbers, and salary have been asked -- multiple times -- but the anti-Kassian crowd does not answer them because they have no interest in facts or reality. When you purposely ignore facts in order to shield your opinions from criticism, it is tacit admission that your opinion is baseless and simply prejudicial conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 What's wrong with the question? Zack is 23, almost 24 and clearly a developing player. He's not the guy he might be one day. I call him a prospect. But I am running out of patience with the guy. The way he was speaking today when interviewed by Jon Abbott I hope the big light bulb is going off over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10729989 Feels good knowing we have a trustworthy GM running the team who knows hockey as well anybody out there. JB knows we have scoring struggles and acknowledged we play in a tough conference, indirectly stating he won't trade picks/prospects to try and temporarily fix that. Team works hard and they are a middle of the pack team who will make the playoffs if they keep their pace up. Jim is giving the current veterans a fair shot to make the tourney while building for the future as well. ...expect a pretty anti-climatic trade deadline from the Canucks POV in the next few months. Sounds like JB doesn't want to mortgage the future so don't expect us to snatch other teams players away without that. Seems more like Benning is open to doing old fashioned hockey trades than anything so expect that. MG said the exact same things and I can't recall him ever trading away prospects or picks for "temporary" fixes. In fact thats pretty much why he was run out of town because he wouldn't trade for a top 6 forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 MG said the exact same things and I can't recall him ever trading away prospects or picks for "temporary" fixes. In fact thats pretty much why he was run out of town because he wouldn't trade for a top 6 forward. Derek roy is the first thing that comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Some very simple questions about Kassian's role, play, numbers, and salary have been asked -- multiple times -- but the anti-Kassian crowd does not answer them because they have no interest in facts or reality. When you purposely ignore facts in order to shield your opinions from criticism, it is tacit admission that your opinion is baseless and simply prejudicial conjecture.One goal scored in his last 18 games played.Averaging one goal scored every 11 games played.Averaging one assist for every 7.3 games played.Lowest scoring active forward on the team.Only Sbisa has less points scored(1) on the entire active roster.Management did not allow him in the line up when he was ready to return from injury.Since returning to the lineup from injury the team has 3L and 2W with Zach on the roster.Since being benched the team has won their last two games.Small sample size but since his return the team has a losing record with him in and a winning record without him.Benning and WD's comments are well documented.Their opinions and actions are the deciding factors upon his career here.Right now Kassian is scratched and the team is winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I would really like benning to trade bieksa to a team that could use him in playoffs for at least a 3rd and 6th rd pick 2015 or a third and a D prospect. And than call up pedan as the the tough guy presenceLol, who is going to give a pick and a D prospect for Bieksa. We'd be lucky to get just a d prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo1970 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I trust in Benning. I love that he's not trading anything in the way of prospects or draft picks. Yes, our core is aging and their play is suffering, but I believe that with a couple signings in the off season combined with moving a couple vets from our core to contending teams for more picks and ,maybe a prospect or two, we'll be in a great spot again in the near future. JB ability to pick out the diamonds in the rough is his greatest asset as a GM and I, for one, want him to use that to our greatest advantage. I believe Vancouver fans have become accustomed to winning and desperately do not want to see our history of bottom to mediocre teams returning to haunt us. However, with JB and TL at the helm of this team, I don't see that happening. Trevor is a lifetime Canuck and has too much passion for this team. I firmly believe he and JB are going to bring Vancouver it's first Stanley Cup within the next four years. That being said, I don't believe it will happen this year. We have too many weaknesses that need to be addressed. I think there's at least 1 spot on our defense to be addressed, with the rest being taken care of in house. In addition, a couple forward spots need to be fixed. I have an idea of which ones, but that's for another forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 ...and you and your fellow cult members will be sorely disappointed when he does leave, because you will require a new whipping boy to giggle and wet your panties over. I'm going to be disappointed when he does leave?????????? I think that's the last thing I'm going to be feeling. You want the other whipping boy I'll tell you it's Edler, this guy is horrible for what he's paid, he sure isn't the leader on the back end like he's supposed to be, or contributes offensively like he was paid to do. I'll be much happier when they both are gone, and this team will be in a better position without them, with players who can get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 What's wrong with the question? Zack is 23, almost 24 and clearly a developing player. He's not the guy he might be one day. I call him a prospect. But I am running out of patience with the guy. The way he was speaking today when interviewed by Jon Abbott I hope the big light bulb is going off over his head. The problem is people didn't have patience to begin with. People are still butthurt over Cody being traded despite the turn of events and people want Kassian out despite Kassian being a rare commodity in this league. There are literally only a handful of people like Kassian in this league. Does that not warrant a little more time for a player with that rarity? If you think 24 is too old for a prospect, consider that some player don't come into their own until their late 20's. At least Kassian is playing in the NHL and not playing in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new look 'nucks Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 A lot of us knock Bieksa but he has been pulling the second amount of ice time on the back end for most of the nights since Hammer was injured. He is flawed as in not the most mobile but he is a very good defender. Juice is going to benefit having Dan back beside him because he is probably in some of the best shape in his career after working through these past 22 games with Sbisa and the gang. Am I the only one that noticed a substantial gain in confidence with Juice with Hammer back in the line-up last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Am I the only one that noticed a substantial gain in confidence with Juice with Hammer back in the line-up last night? I didn't get to see the game in it's entirety, but even what I saw, yes I agree with you. Bieksa is still an important part of this team. With Hamhuis out he had to play more minutes, which as we all witnessed, hurts his game. In a 3rd pairing situation with appropriate minutes he's still an effective player. Worth his salary? No, I can't quite get on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Ferguson Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't get it really, Kassian just doesn't play with energy anymore, I'd like to see him use his size finish some checks and control the puck. I've seen him on some of his "bertuzzi one handed drives" around the net and his hands can be good sometimes. He just seems to lack confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Street Band Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I love the notion that Benning doesn't want to trade away picks. Let's build within, that way we truly know what we've got. As per Kassian I'm certainly not ready to trade him. I think coach D is right to bench him right now; Kass doesn't even have 1 major penalty this regular season I don't think? Seriously part of being a power forward is getting your nose dirty at times. Not saying we need him fighting all the time but I think he should have 3-5 fights at minimum thus far. However I'm still in kass's corner and I want him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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