Alflives Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, Robongo said: They're obviously from the Ducks forum. If that's the case, then they have zero validity. We could scour our board, and make two great players (Twins) appear to be total crap. KB is clearly not the player he was in his 20s, but most players aren't. He still provides a lot to his team, that we fans don't realize as important. IMO. Being a forum, this - of course - means it's only my opinion, which is biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1. Whatever you guys say, I'll support bieksa regardless of anything 2. So what if ducks fans think something? They're ducks fans. They know 0 about hockey 3. Bieksa is the greatest athlete to play for that sorry franchise that constantly gets help from the officials =) 4. Juice is the MAN! 5. DUCKS SUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 hour ago, apollo said: 1. Whatever you guys say, I'll support bieksa regardless of anything 2. So what if ducks fans think something? They're ducks fans. They know 0 about hockey 3. Bieksa is the greatest athlete to play for that sorry franchise that constantly gets help from the officials =) 4. Juice is the MAN! 5. DUCKS SUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 2015-11-28, 12:13:12, apollo said: 1. Whatever you guys say, I'll support bieksa regardless of anything 2. So what if ducks fans think something? They're ducks fans. They know 0 about hockey 3. Bieksa is the greatest athlete to play for that sorry franchise that constantly gets help from the officials =) 4. Juice is the MAN! 5. DUCKS SUCK! So many things wrong with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 2015-11-28, 8:41:20, apollo said: Lol I assume everyone bashing juice is just looking at the stats. This guy is logging #1 dman minutes and he's one of the few reasons this sad team isn't last in the nhl. They get absolute garbage efforts from 80% of their team night in, night out. At least juice is man enough and stands up for his team mates. I can't imagine a single guy on the ducks roster respecting Perry or kesler. That team must hate each other. Bieksa is statistically and visually their worst defensemen this year. If any defensemen is keeping that team afloat right now, it is Sami Vatanen or Hampus Lindholm. Being "man enough" and "standing up for his teammates" doesn't keep a bad team afloat...that is utterly ridiculous - I assume you believe in the Benning made advanced stat? Scrums per minute? Because that is the one stat Bieksa may be good at, other than that, he can only dream of being Anaheim's best defensemen. I don't think there is a stat that favours in Bieksa's way, and visually, he is terrible - slow, makes bad decisions...list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 11 minutes ago, BM24 said: Bieksa is statistically and visually their worst defensemen this year. If any defensemen is keeping that team afloat right now, it is Sami Vatanen or Hampus Lindholm. Being "man enough" and "standing up for his teammates" doesn't keep a bad team afloat...that is utterly ridiculous - I assume you believe in the Benning made advanced stat? Scrums per minute? Because that is the one stat Bieksa may be good at, other than that, he can only dream of being Anaheim's best defensemen. I don't think there is a stat that favours in Bieksa's way, and visually, he is terrible - slow, makes bad decisions...list goes on. So why is he constantly over 20 min and being used more than any of their others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, apollo said: So why is he constantly over 20 min and being used more than any of their others? He's playing in their top 4....all of their top 4 defensemen have 20+ minutes of icetime on average. Only reason Bieksa is getting that icetime, is because Manson isn't fully ready (even yet he's averaging 18mins) and Stoner is strictly a bottom pairing defensemen along with Despres. Fact of the matter is, Anaheim brought Bieksa in to be a top 4 dman, and whether he crashes and burns like he has, he's going to be kept there because there aren't any other options. One of the reasons Anaheim is struggling, is having a player like Bieksa handed big minutes - we gave Bieksa bottom pairing minutes and look how well we did. You think Anaheim fans as a whole don't like him just to spite him? Saying Anaheim fans don't know hockey says a lot about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I will say this too - I am sure damn happy the Anaheim Ducks invested their time and especially their money in Kesler and Bieksa rather than the Canucks. What terrible contracts for players on a huge decline in their careers. We aren't living in 2011 anymore, but it is clear to see what posters still are. As much as I hate Benning, he actually made a smart move to deal Bieksa and bring in Bartkowski who achieves the same headaches as Bieksa, just at a much lower cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 33 minutes ago, BM24 said: Bieksa is statistically and visually their worst defensemen this year. If any defensemen is keeping that team afloat right now, it is Sami Vatanen or Hampus Lindholm. Being "man enough" and "standing up for his teammates" doesn't keep a bad team afloat...that is utterly ridiculous - I assume you believe in the Benning made advanced stat? Scrums per minute? Because that is the one stat Bieksa may be good at, other than that, he can only dream of being Anaheim's best defensemen. I don't think there is a stat that favours in Bieksa's way, and visually, he is terrible - slow, makes bad decisions...list goes on. anaheim has made some strange decisions on former canucks players on their roster in the past year anaheim used to have a ton of cap space available why would they give KB an additional 2 years at 4 million per? who were they competing with for that ? and why sign kesler for such a long term at just under $7 million per? i have no idea on the thinking on that contract both players are on the downsides of their careers... almost $11 million per committed to 2 declining players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Marchand Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, BM24 said: He's playing in their top 4....all of their top 4 defensemen have 20+ minutes of icetime on average. Only reason Bieksa is getting that icetime, is because Manson isn't fully ready (even yet he's averaging 18mins) and Stoner is strictly a bottom pairing defensemen along with Despres. Fact of the matter is, Anaheim brought Bieksa in to be a top 4 dman, and whether he crashes and burns like he has, he's going to be kept there because there aren't any other options. One of the reasons Anaheim is struggling, is having a player like Bieksa handed big minutes - we gave Bieksa bottom pairing minutes and look how well we did. You think Anaheim fans as a whole don't like him just to spite him? Saying Anaheim fans don't know hockey says a lot about you. Your biggest mistake was getting into a hockey argument with apollo and expecting anything rational to come out of it. The Ducks don't really have an ideal partner for Bieksa. Lindholm and Fowler should be playing with better defencemen, Despres is alright but not good enough to consistently cover for him, and Stoner is Stoner. They would have been better off keeping Beauchemin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 7 minutes ago, coastal.view said: anaheim has made some strange decisions on former canucks players on their roster in the past year anaheim used to have a ton of cap space available why would they give KB an additional 2 years at 4 million per? who were they competing with for that ? and why sign kesler for such a long term at just under $7 million per? i have no idea on the thinking on that contract both players are on the downsides of their careers... almost $11 million per committed to 2 declining players Agreed and very good questions. Both those contracts are looking horrendous....who woulda thunk it?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM24 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 7 minutes ago, Brad Marchand said: Your biggest mistake was getting into a hockey argument with apollo and expecting anything rational to come out of it. The Ducks don't really have an ideal partner for Bieksa. Lindholm and Fowler should be playing with better defencemen, Despres is alright but not good enough to consistently cover for him, and Stoner is Stoner. They would have been better off keeping Beauchemin. Preach, especially when 'icetime' is an argument he is using....sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 As bad as Bieksa is at times, this team desperately needs a strong, physical right handed shutdown defenceman right now who isn't an AHLer. Ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 On November 27, 2015 at 3:10:55 PM, theminister said: Probably a good lesson on showing restraint with re-signing Hamhuis. omg. i just assumed wed look for return on him, i never considered the horror of a fat extension on hammer. 1 toxic contract can take down a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 49 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: As bad as Bieksa is at times, this team desperately needs a strong, physical right handed shutdown defenceman right now who isn't an AHLer. Ironic. bieksa is an AHLer, fail to see irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I love when people engage with apollo. The guy is like some kind of anti-troll. I think his bit is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intoewsables Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: As bad as Bieksa is at times, this team desperately needs a strong, physical right handed shutdown defenceman right now who isn't an AHLer. Ironic. I'll settle for a right handed defenseman who can play hockey, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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