Mafia: Town of Salem

[Aladeen]

Also it should be noted that in TOS there is no Day 1 lynch and the first lynch happens AFTER the first nightfall on Day 2. I see that Toews hasn't organized it like this but I would say that we should opt not to lynch anyone on the first day but I guess we are sort of stuck now since Dral and Baka have both claimed.

[Aladeen]

Also its interesting to note that Dral apparently got his investigation results already when in TOS this is a night action that is susceptible to a Roleblock by an escort/consort. Making it a day action makes it so that it is immune to rbing, Idk if this is intended on Toews part or brings up Dral potentially fake claiming sheriff at this point and not knowing that investigation results happen at night, just before the next day in case of RB/Being Jailed/Transporting/Or the sheriff just dying at night.

I am leaning toward Dral faking this investigation result at this point because I think it would be very difficult for Intoews not to include investigations into night activities and Dral just didn't realize this when he drunkenly claimed, or he did realize this and is Jester.

So one of three things:

1. Dral is telling the truth and Toews made investigations a Day action, so then we can be confident that transporting won't affect results.

2. Dral is lying and didn't know that investigations were night actions = Dral is Mafia

3. Dral is lying and did know that investigations were night actions = Dral is probably Jester.

[Beluga Whale]

Please no mass claiming, it will not work.

Only time to claim is if you have info that will incriminate a mafia or if you are about to be mislynched

[Baka]

Wouldn't most fake role claims be proven otherwise after each round by our own abilities?

As far as this lynch goes if we were uncertain between 2 players why not tie them and double lynch when we are certain?

Wouldn't the Veteran work with the Transporter? For example if the Veteran went on watch and the Transporter swapped him and the Bodyguard, if the Mafia was targeting the Bodyguard wouldn't the Mafia player end up killed by the Veteran?

And even if they did manage to hit their select targets would it really change the outcome if we were confirming who isn't TP early on before the numbers shift?

If the TP are all against it though I can't force the hand and obviously I have never played TOS before but to me that seems like our highest percentage unless we were banking on getting lucky. I mean without claiming roles it seems TP is just set up to hit each other.

[Aladeen]

Wouldn't most fake role claims be proven otherwise after each round by our own abilities?

As far as this lynch goes if we were uncertain between 2 players why not tie them and double lynch when we are certain?

Wouldn't the Veteran work with the Transporter? For example if the Veteran went on watch and the Transporter swapped him and the Bodyguard, if the Mafia was targeting the Bodyguard wouldn't the Mafia player end up killed by the Veteran?

And even if they did manage to hit their select targets would it really change the outcome if we were confirming who isn't TP early on before the numbers shift?

If the TP are all against it though I can't force the hand and obviously I have never played TOS before but to me that seems like our highest percentage unless we were banking on getting lucky. I mean without claiming roles it seems TP is just set up to hit each other.

First anyone who visits the Veteran dies, whether mafia, town, sk, w/e so transporter would die.

Sorry at work will get back to the rest of it.

[milk and honey]

vote JohnLocke

[Baka]

First anyone who visits the Veteran dies, whether mafia, town, sk, w/e so transporter would die.

Sorry at work will get back to the rest of it.

Right right.

I am still not overly confident that the other way is a higher percentage but it looks like the TP don't want to role claim so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Höglander87]

vote JohnLocke

Lol kumar

[Aladeen]

nobody has anything to say about Dral's claim that he did a day investigation?

[Master Radishes]

Baka, I understand where your logic is coming from, but think about it some more. Let's say we mass claim and choose the two Veterans or whoever to choose between. Let's say we get it wrong. Then the Mafia know who nearly all the roles are and kill the Bodyguard, while the SK hits another TP - he'd probably go for the Vig or Doc, if possible. (And the Mafia would strategically choose which roles to claim so as to know who is who, of course.) Let's say we get the worst case scenario the next round too. Then we'd be down to 4 TP, 4 Mafia, SK and Jester. Boom, game basically over.

Mass claiming helps the TP, sure, but it gives the Mafia just as much knowledge (and the Mafia already have extra knowledge in knowing who of each 'pair' to lynch) and a smart team will wipe the floor with the TP.

Just way too risky. Don't like it.

[Aladeen]

First anyone who visits the Veteran dies, whether mafia, town, sk, w/e so transporter would die.

Sorry at work will get back to the rest of it.

To continue on with this post....

we have 10 Town and 6 non-town

now if all the town claim then we Should have 6 overlapping claims.

If the Sk/Mafia just target the 4 that don't have overlapping claims.

since that will take them 2 rounds to do before we start getting lets say we get lucky and lynch someone out of those 2 lynches that is lying then the mafia just kills the other one.

So we would be looking at after three rounds 5 TP left at best, 3 mafia, an Sk and Jester...

and I see MR is basically saying the same thing in the post above.

MR what do you think of Dral's claim of Day investigations?

[Master Radishes]

nobody has anything to say about Dral's claim that he did a day investigation?

Unless someone comes forward to counterclaim, no, nothing to say. It's very possible Toews incorporated day claims, considering that's the norm here.

[Master Radishes]

Aladeen is being Serious Alabeen. Good sign. Silliness is generally his MO as Mafia.

[Aladeen]

Unless someone comes forward to counterclaim, no, nothing to say. It's very possible Toews incorporated day claims, considering that's the norm here.

The problem is with this in all the other actions that have to happen at night. I don't think Toews could incorporate day investigations and all other night actions into his game... that would make a lot of lot of roles useless.

Lets say the consig day investigates the Veteran, and then that night the Veteran goes on alert... that means the consig doesn't get hit by the Veteran?

Or if the Consig gets day investigation and he is shot by the vig at night, that means the mafia get the information from that investigation even though the consig is dead?

Or If the Investigator targets say a mafia member with his investigation during the day but at night that mafia member is transported with a town member, the investigator gets a legitimate investigation result?

All that makes no sense in the TOS game. Including the fact that investigations can't be roleblocked either? which is insanity on its own.

In TOS all actions happen at night for a reason, because they are depended on other actions.

[Aladeen]

So for now,

Vote Dral

[Master Radishes]

Well, in regular Mafia all actions happen at Night too, or nearly so. But we adapt the rules here. It can be done. I've had games where roleblocks 'carried over' to the following Day, for example.

But I haven't thought it all through. Always up for a good Dral lynch, though.

[Dr.Strangelove]

nobody has anything to say about Dral's claim that he did a day investigation?

I don't believe Dral was being serious tbh if he was being serious I don't believe him because my gut is saying he's ether messing around or straight up lying

Vote Dral

[Aladeen]

Well, in regular Mafia all actions happen at Night too, or nearly so. But we adapt the rules here. It can be done. I've had games where roleblocks 'carried over' to the following Day, for example.

But I haven't thought it all through. Always up for a good Dral lynch, though.

Generally we don't play with a Night phase though, So lynch/night happen altogether. He does state that special actions can be submitted any time up until an hour after the lynch, but nothing about getting results.

I don't believe Dral was being serious tbh if he was being serious I don't believe him because my gut is saying he's ether messing around or straight up lying

Vote Dral

I've missed you!!!!

[Master Radishes]

I haven't played TOS before, so I'll trust you on it.

But looking back at his post...

I'd say specials contact me and gg tp gonna lose blah blah blah, but whats the point?

Dat wording tho. Totally weaseling, trying to 'say' his phrase without actually saying it.

Vote Dral

[Zfetch]

IMO, we shouldn't all jump on the Dral wagon. He could still be the sheriff, no one has counter claimed. Although it is tempting since Dral role-claims frequently when mafia, he could still be the real sheriff, and we should only wagon if someone else claims.

If we don't have/get a mafia investigation, the jester should come out IMO.

That way we don't accidentely lynch a TP, while still getting out a 3rd party. The jester in this game also allows the game to continue, so if we don't get any info, we should lynch the jester.