TheRick Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I'm confused as to what type of Dman Sbisa is suppose to be? Is he suppose to be a: -Puck moving Dman? -Stay at home Dman? -Physical Dman? I'm seeing him trying to be all of the above when he plays and failing miserably at it! The coaching staff need to define what type of Dman Sbisa is suppose to be and have him stick to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 these threads just prove time and time again why fans don't run NHL teams you don't make decisions that change your roster after 2 games and last year Sbisa was a physical d-man for the Canucks i expect him to do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Strong game for Luca in Anaheim tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 He was lazy on the first goal, but improved after I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure fan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I'm not a fan... Bad give away, missed the net on a great opportunity early, and just looks bad out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Strong game for Luca in Anaheim tonight. Agreed. I watched Sbisa very closely tonight. Decided to keep a count of his "good plays" versus "bad plays" (a "good play" was was anything that either directly contributed to a scoring chance or directly thwarted a potential opposition scoring chance and vice versa for "bad plays"). By my count, Sbisa was a plus-6 for the night (on his good plays minus bad plays tally). I haven't tracked players this way before but I might do it again because it really made me appreciate the things Sbisa does well. I really noticed him deflecting shots and generally getting his stick on pucks to disrupt plays in the defensive zone. He also made some solid breakout passes and showed a good ability to get the puck up to forwards with speed to create odd man rush opportunities. Solid game. EDIT: typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I'm not a fan... Bad give away, missed the net on a great opportunity early, and just looks bad out there. If all you look for are the bad plays from a particular player that's all you'll see. There were several missed the net on great opportunities, even the mighty Hamhuis. But Hammer is loved so he gets a pass on his bad plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 these threads just prove time and time again why fans don't run NHL teams you don't make decisions that change your roster after 2 games and last year Sbisa was a physical d-man for the Canucks i expect him to do the same Awful defensively, non existent offensively, bad decision maker physically. Watching him play slowly kills my will to live. Hopefully he settles down as he gets use to playing with Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 LEAVE Sbisa Alone He is not our whipping boy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodzilla131 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 LEAVE Sbisa Alone He is not our whipping boy this year. I Beg To Differ. And it ain't gonna change till he starts doing something, anything, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 And it ain't gonna change till he starts doing something, anything, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I Beg To Differ. And it ain't gonna change till he starts doing something, anything, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think I agree with TheRick... at times I see Sbisa try and do everything, but he's not NHL quality at anything yet (although he's looking like a better bottom pairing defenseman, at his salary he needs to show top 4 quality). Sbisa needs to pick a style and stick to it, and the Canucks need to provide him with a partner that complements him. Asking a guy who is already struggling to do everything is silly -- get him good at something first. My expectations for Sbisa this year: be a zero +/- player. Last year he was a major liability, but so was Edler the year before under Torts. Sbisa is looking improved this year, and I hope he can carry that over the 82 game season as a zero +/- player. Also not coughing up 3rd period turnovers that lead to key game tying / game winning goals would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Sbisa and Weber are our worst d-men. The only reason Sbisa is in the line up is because he brings some physicality. Even the goal yesterday was because he got out muscled /out positioned along the boards by Cogliano. The fact that our rookie is carrying that tandem is worrisome. I would have liked to even see a Corrado Hutton pairing with limited minutes. Edler Tanev Hamhuis Barthowski Corrado Hutton I bet we would have seen at most the same amount of turnovers from that 3rd pairing as we currently have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure fan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 If all you look for are the bad plays from a particular player that's all you'll see. There were several missed the net on great opportunities, even the mighty Hamhuis. But Hammer is loved so he gets a pass on his bad plays. Oh no doubt. I am tainted to overlook anything good done by Sbisa's play. Which is not a good Canuck fan move, but I'll at least admit and seek treatment for my condition. Till then... Boooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Just a little dose of objecive outcomes for you blind haters - and the odd stats manipulators who've tried to make Sbisa out to be one of the league's worst defensmen. After 3 games: 26.1% offensive zone starts 3rd strongest quality of competition on the blueline. +20.5 relative corsi. 1 giveaway in 3 games (virtually every D in the NHL playing 18 minutes a night is going to give the puck away at that rate, or more) Absolutely outstanding. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=VAN&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67# The only guy on the team that can boast anywhere near those kind of underlying numbers is Chris Tanev. And this has come against Calgary and Anaheim - two teams that most haters would fear to 'expose' Sbisa. Sbisa was outstanding shorthanded in OT last night - has been rock solid thus far. If you're unable to see that, you don't know shat about hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Agreed. I watched Sbisa very closely tonight. Decided to keep a count of his "good plays" versus "bad plays" (a "good play" was was anything that either directly contributed to a scoring chance or directly thwarted a potential opposition scoring chance and vice versa for "bad plays"). By my count, Sbisa was a plus-6 for the night (on his good plays minus bad plays tally). I haven't tracked players this way before but I might do it again because it really made me appreciate the things Sbisa does well. I really noticed him deflecting shots and generally getting his stick on pucks to disrupt plays in the defensive zone. He also made some solid breakout passes and showed a good ability to get the puck up to forwards with speed to create odd man rush opportunities. Solid game. EDIT: typos Nice work Sid - and the underlying numbers entirely support your observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Just a little dose of objecive outcomes for you blind haters - and the odd stats manipulators who've tried to make Sbisa out to be one of the league's worst defensmen. After 3 games: 26.1% offensive zone starts 3rd strongest quality of competition on the blueline.+20.5 relative corsi. 1 giveaway in 3 games (virtually every D in the NHL playing 18 minutes a night is going to give the puck away at that rate, or more) Absolutely outstanding. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=VAN&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67# The only guy on the team that can boast anywhere near those kind of underlying numbers is Chris Tanev. And this has come against Calgary and Anaheim - two teams that most haters would fear to 'expose' Sbisa. Sbisa has been rock solid thus far. If you're unable to see that, you don't know shat about hockey. ^This so many clueless Sbisa haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Despite having some mental farts in the past 3 games, I thought he rose to the occasion on the 5 on 3 PK with Edler in the box. He was active physically and was more aware of the play. I want to see that Sbisa...the guy who can show urgency and make good plays in his own zone, while still being a physical piece of nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Despite having some mental farts in the past 3 games, I thought he rose to the occasion on the 5 on 3 PK with Edler in the box. He was active physically and was more aware of the play. I want to see that Sbisa...the guy who can show urgency and make good plays in his own zone, while still being a physical piece of nasty. To be fair that brain cramp against calgary that led to the goal was because the team hung him out to dry and gave him no outlet pass. His only other option was to ring it behind the net but ther was a pinching Flame with position along the boards too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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