riffraff Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 57 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said: second bold: i admit, my first post was very vague, but i was not saying that those who eat meat display psychotic behaviour. i said, or meant to say, that in order for an individual to take offense to the murder of a cat or dog, while eating steak for dinner, will have to establish a psychological bridge in order to morally justify the murder of one and not the other. you seem to agree (bold 1). i am saying that bridge often reeks of hypocrisy and self righteousness. something we are all guilty of, but should probably become more aware of at the same time. i am saying (the above) because the murder of an animal for fun is the murder of an animal for fun. the difference here is that one person has fun with the animal as it suffers (psycho), the other person has fun with the animal after it has suffered (most meat eaters) the difference in terms of "being a psycho" is that one is traditionally acceptable, the other is not. what she is doing is not inherently psychotic anymore than killing a pig for bacon is. her psychosis in this regard is defined by a traditional, cultural standard. an individual being able to kill/skin a dog and clubbing or bolting a pig to death, in my opinion, are direct displays of a lack of compassion that often leads to speciesism, like that documentary "Earthlings" argues. anyway, no i'm not saying my mom--who is probably eating chicken as we speak--is crazy or a potential Pickton type. because "society" has told her what she's doing is not only acceptable. but also because we've created a system wherein the colossal surplus of animals (billions upon billions of animals are literally suffering as we type) makes people believe the surplus justifies the demand. or that meat fills a role in our lives. i do not think it does any of this. rather the meat industry has created a self-perpetuating system that people are hooked in, or don't care about. tradition mixed with excess has created our meat-hungry system today, it wasn't a need for sustenance or a philosophical revelation. the fact that the girl is considered so crazy because she kills pets is interesting to me. why don't we consider people crazy for wanting to work at a slaughter house to kill pigs - an abnormally intelligent creature? i would find it very interesting to hear from someone who has more intensive psychological training on this issue, because to me it sounds like she's determined to be crazy NOT solely because she's killing things, but because of her lack of remorse over killing things. is remorse the operative word when we discuss the 'sanity' of someone who kills another person? or an animal? in Jonathan Foer's book "Eating Animals" he basically says the factory farm industry in America has a 100% turnover rate. and it sure isn't because of promotion. it's because the work is dangerous and ethically difficult, seemingly impossible, to sustain. and yet despite the work being so damaging, people are eating more meat than ever seemingly without the trauma. so what's going on here? a person cannot work in a slaughterhouse without losing his or her mind, a girl kills animals for fun and she's literally considered a lost mind - and here we are eating the fruits of that psychotic labour. what does that say about us? as an aside: if Borque ATE the cats and dogs after she killed them, would people be morally horrified by what she did? Great third paragraph paragraph 4.) If somebody born and raised in Canada (western world) told me they killed and ate a cat or dog, I would find that fairly alarming. Less alarming if they simply killed it and ate it. Id be completely freaked the &^@# out if they slowly tortured it and then ate it. My feelings are based on our access to other food sources etc. however if I was in Mexico, or Asia, etc. La dee dah. I'm sure I've had many a stray animal kebob in my time. Obvious some cultures have different tastes. i used to work along side four brothers from viet nam. We were working in the construction of an apartment building here in Saskatoon. At the end of the day they were giggling and smirking as they handed a box to me. imside that box was a pigeon they caught on the roof. They asked me over for a bbq. I declined. Interestingly I had previously offered one of the guys a ham and cheese sandwich with keenes mustard and mayo. He declined with a twisted face lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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