Phil_314 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Greatest in history?! Please, let's talk about G.O.A.T.!!!! Cory Schneider's done something that no goalie (not Martin Brodeur, not Patrick Roy, not Dominik Hasek, not his good buddy Lu, not Hank Lundqvist, not Braden Holtby, not ANYONE) has done. The man is a legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Bure Daniel Henrik I'm sorry, but no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The Sedins have scored more than 70 pts in 7/8 seasons respectively. Tanti had 3 and Gradin had 4. And the Sedins probably have a another 2-5 years left. They'll easily go down as the most talented players in canucks history, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 hey OP, The Art Ross trophy says "hello" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Bure, Naslund, Luongo and then the Sedins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 2 hours ago, HC20.0 said: Bure Daniel Henrik I'm sorry, but no contest. ....and the Sedins will most likely be following Pavel into the Hockey Hall Of Fame...IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 8 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Pavel,Hank and Danny 8 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Pavel,Hank and Danny He wasn't the most likable guy in the world and I was certainly no fan of his, but the truth is there is one guy who all around might be just a little bit better than those 3 Alex Mogilny Not as likable as the Sedins and not as flashy as Bure, but probably the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 8 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Most talented 3 Canucks all time may be a SURPRISE TO SOME >>>>> If you judge by points per game.... which makes sense. Bure 1.12 pts per game Gradin .90 pts per game Tanti . 89 pts per game Sorry no Hank ( . 83 pts per game ) or Danny.... ( .83 - pts/game ) How do you factually demonstrate the talent of goaltenders and defensemen under your supposed fool-proof methodology? If Roberto Luongo's PPG pace was only 0.003, does that mean he had less talent than Taylor Pyatt? I find this topic hilarious. If you don't like the Sedins, you could at least attempt to provide better 'facts' than points per game, which are skewed both by era and quality of linemates and competition. Not to mention the sample size, which is much bigger for the Sedins. If Tanti was to play 1,000 games, he'd not have scored at as high a rate. The nosedive in his career after leaving Vancouver is evidence of that. It is also skewed by the years in which the player was here - Tanti played from ages 19-27. The Sedins' PPG for ages 19-27 was 0.64 PPG for Daniel, and 0.63 PPG for Henrik. Think about linemates - Trent Klatt, Artem Chubarov etc. How could they score like that with such poor linemates? With such limited ice time? Lockouts are also excluded here. The Sedins lost a year in a scoring era. You have also conveniently forgotten about playoff PPG. Unsurprisingly, Tanti doesn't feature here: 10pts in 18 games. 0.56 PPG. Daniel's career is 0.70 PPG and Henrik is 0.74 PPG. Again, over a much higher statistical sample. If Pavel Bure played in today's NHL he'd be Tarasenko-esque, which is not quite PPG. Finally, why is talent measured solely by PPG? Why not awards won? Or playoff games won? Or a whole slew of more fitting statistics? Why is PPG such an important and decisive indication of talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesWeCanNux Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 4 hours ago, rawkdrummer said: hey OP, The Art Ross trophy says "hello" This. In FACT, in one of Gradin's top seasons in which he hit 86 points in 81-82, Gradin didn't crack the top 20 in scoring. 12 players had over 100 points and the great one had 212. So what you are saying is our 2nd or 3rd most talented player in our history was never the best or even a top 5 player at any point in his career? Pretty sure this thread is pure baiting but I'll bite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 8 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: I unlike some of you REVISIONISTS prefer to deal in FACTS. HERE ARE The FACTS Bure, Gradin, Tanti are the most talented Canuck Forwards of all time as they have the highest points per game. Sadly they did not have the long careers of Hank and Danny. PROOF - Top in alltime points per GAME played. Hank and Danny have had the best 2 Forwards Careers all time on the canucks . PROOF - Top in alltime points. Dictionary.com defines talented as having talent or special ability. It makes no mention of points per game. I dont think you are a talented poster based on the above information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Googlie Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 If career, and not just Canuck years ..... Forwards: Bure, Messier, Sundin Defence: Reinhart, Brown, Lumme Goal: Luongo, Maclean, Brodeur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Googlie said: If career, and not just Canuck years ..... Forwards: Bure, Messier, Sundin Defence: Reinhart, Brown, Lumme Goal: Luongo, Maclean, Brodeur Great Post - i think we may have finally found a winner...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Bure and Mogilny are the top 2...Sedin, Sedin and Naslund round out the top 5 in no particular order. I'm leaving out Sundin, he wasn't a real Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 13 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Most talented 3 Canucks all time may be a SURPRISE TO SOME >>>>> If you judge by points per game.... which makes sense. Bure 1.12 pts per game Gradin .90 pts per game Tanti . 89 pts per game Sorry no Hank ( . 83 pts per game ) or Danny.... ( .83 - pts/game ) If your playing the accurate/surprise game then the actual most talented canuck ever is Mark Messier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelownaCanucksFan Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 13 hours ago, J-Dizzle said: Thanks for the laugh! You must not have been around to see those three play, they were most likely the top 3 "skilled" players the Canucks have had. While Hank and Danny are great, I would put them in the top 5 right after those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shift-4 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Realtor Rod said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 13 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: I unlike some of you REVISIONISTS prefer to deal in FACTS. HERE ARE The FACTS Bure, Gradin, Tanti are the most talented Canuck Forwards of all time as they have the highest points per game. Sadly they did not have the long careers of Hank and Danny. PROOF - Top in alltime points per GAME played. Hank and Danny have had the best 2 Forwards Careers all time on the canucks . PROOF - Top in alltime points. Well there's facts and then there's stats.. You have to break their PPG down a little to get to the facts next year the Sedins will have played approx. double the NHL games as both Gradin and Tanti (Tanti a season or so more) all while wearing a Canuck jersey. FACT both Tanti And Gradin were traded as regression started. Tanti going on to play multiple seasons where gradin was out of the league not long after. Adding up Both of the Career PPG puts them lower PPG than the Sedins and they played less games. If you know anything about statistics you will know the larger the sample size the more the numbers will level out, take out the Sedins first couple years and they are a point per game for 10+ years. FACT The second post in a row I'll say... You posed the question "who are the 3 most talented Canucks all time". you chose to use just point per game.. That's your flawed theory not everybody else's. Talent is not just based on a point per game basis, when you compare ppl who played half the games the others did. ill also say that bure also belongs there cause he was a freak of nature.. Pure RAW talent in spades! Ted Lindsay award Hart memorial Trophy Art Ross Trophy these awards are given to not just the best player on a team but the best players in the league How many of these awards have the Canucks won and who won them? now, ill leave this last one for you, cause if I teach you how to do the research you won't argue pointless points ;p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 12 hours ago, zimmy said: Because it is a debatable premise perhaps? And it allows us to debate? And some of us hope that healthy debate and opinion remains central to all posts and threads on this forum. Something like that. Right. Because the stats have been corrected for Era? Are the Sedins first years in the league taken into account? How about the fact that Taylor Fedun has a higher PPG than 2 of them there? Where are the art Ross trophies? Back to back 100 plus point seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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