[PGT] Canucks 2, Jets 5 - March 14th.

[73 Percent]

8 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Guess it depends on the size of overpayment.  If the Sedins re-sign in a couple of years, I would think it be less than the 7M they're getting now.  The following year Edler is an UFA.  Sutter after than and so on.

 

I just think Oksposo would fit really well on either of the top 2 lines.  He immediatly makes our top 6 stronger and more skilled.

 

I understand your concerns though.  In 2 years Virt, Hut & Caans will be RFAs.  And others after that.  It's a fine balance.

You actually seem to have put alot of thought into it noting the expiring contracts. I wasn't against it or anything  but will admit that okposo want even on my radar as a ufa signing. He may turn out to me a nice consolation prize for when stamkos doesn't sign with us lol.

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56 minutes ago, mll said:

Not saying he wouldn't be a fit but simply saying that adding a UFA to the Sedin line doesn't seem geared towards the future and makes the team over-reliant on them - which is what they need to move on from.  I think the Sedins-Hansen line is a "safety net" that won't be touched as they work with the other lines to prepare the post-Sedin era.

We'd be adding a very good UFA to the TEAM.  That he'd likely be an excellent fit in our top 6 (including the twins) is not a negative. 

[mll]

30 minutes ago, J.R. said:

We'd be adding a very good UFA to the TEAM.  That he'd likely be an excellent fit in our top 6 (including the twins) is not a negative. 

Again not saying it's a negative just saying that I don't think this is how they will proceed re the lines.  I simply believe that they are going to leave the Sedins-Hansen line alone and work towards building future lines that will take over because that's what needs to happen - i.e. any UFA goes to a non-Sedin line because that's the future.

 

I think they want to rely less on them and not more.  Adding a quality UFA to their line makes the team even more dependent on them and it doesn't help the transition that needs to take place if they don't want the team to fall off a cliff when they retire.

[luckylager]

Now that I've given it a day to settle I won't fly off the handle.

 

That was 55mins of pure suck. No number of talented forwards or huge, physical Dmen would have changed the outcome because the effort was not there.

 

Oh no, they're taking runs at us! Let's just go hide guys. 

 

"Yipes, get me outta here Scoob!"

[Gaudette Celly]

47 minutes ago, mll said:

Again not saying it's a negative just saying that I don't think this is how they will proceed re the lines.  I simply believe that they are going to leave the Sedins-Hansen line alone and work towards building future lines that will take over because that's what needs to happen - i.e. any UFA goes to a non-Sedin line because that's the future.

Or it frees Hansen up to be traded.  With the money JB has this summer, it's probable that he's looking to sign a top-6 guy.

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30 minutes ago, mll said:

Again not saying it's a negative just saying that I don't think this is how they will proceed re the lines.  I simply believe that they are going to leave the Sedins-Hansen line alone and work towards building future lines that will take over because that's what needs to happen - i.e. any UFA goes to a non-Sedin line because that's the future.

 

I think they want to rely less on them and not more.  Adding a quality UFA to their line makes the team even more dependent on them and it doesn't help the transition that needs to take place if they don't want the team to fall off a cliff when they retire.

Again, your adding a UFA to the TEAM. One that could both excel with the twins AND the younger, future core. 

 

And whether they intend to match the Sedins and Hansen (and I don't think they'll be that rigid...or short sighted), injuries, streaks etc will in all likelihood force their hand at some point anyhow. Just as we've seen this season. 

 

He'd fit both the Sedins AND the future team. That's kind of the point. 

[Canuckfansince1976]

8 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

While Benning has definitely come through on making the team younger and faster, it's high time that size and physicality become more of a focal point with player acquisition.

 

Too many injuries have afflicted the Canucks that were caused by larger and more aggressive players having their way with the Canucks undersized and skill based roster.

 

If this team has any hope of being competitive in the West, it will need to bulk up and respond on the regular to liberties taken on it's players. It hasn't very much, and it shows in the team's lack of competition once the physicality is ramped up.

 

Having Pedan and Tryamkin will help to deter teams from doing so, especially Pedan, but Benning may need to ensure that the players he pursues through either trade or free agency also provide a consistent physical presence to help change the mentality of the team.

Canucks play 8 of their final 14 games against those teams I think that have been doing just that, so lets see the 2 big D men give some of that back to the Sharks, Blues, Kings, Ducks and Hawks. Looking so forward to seeing what the big boys can bring.

[Canuckfansince1976]

30 minutes ago, Canuckfansince1976 said:

 

Now JB lets get some big boys in the top 2/3 forward lines.

[Canuck Surfer]

10 hours ago, J.R. said:

Sedin, Sedin, Okposo

Baer, Horvat, Hansen

Virtanen, Sutter, Rodin

Etem, Granlund, Dorsett

 

Grenier

 

Unless we want to run more of a shut down line with Sutter. Then I'd probably run a Dorsett, Sutter, Hansen line and shuffle guys around appropriately.

 

Danny Hank Okposo

Horvat Sutter Hansen     (swap draws based on left side, right side drop)

Baer McCann Rodin   (or Jake)

Etem Granlund Jake

Dorsett

 

7 hours ago, mll said:

Any UFA would look good with them but their era is coming to an end and there's the luxury to transition while they are still productive.

 

I don't see Sutter on the wing with them because the Sedins start in the O-zone and that would mean that Sutter starts also in the O-zone and that doesn't help Horvat from his defensive burden.  I think their focus is going to be to create another solid scoring line that can gradually take over - a line that also starts predominantly in the O-zone.  If Horvat is part of that scoring line than someone else needs to take the tough matchups in the D-zone - I don't see who else other than Sutter.

Why is that a problem?

 

Play a year with the Twins. The year after with McCann, or Horvat, or whomever (Stamkos LOL?) grabs the 1C. Oct 2017 even Okposo might be sharing time with Boeser?

[austy]

7 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Danny Hank Okposo

Horvat Sutter Hansen     (swap draws based on left side, right side drop)

Baer McCann Rodin   (or Jake)

Etem Granlund Jake

Dorsett

 

Why is that a problem?

 

Play a year with the Twins. The year after with McCann, or Horvat, or whomever (Stamkos LOL?) grabs the 1C. Oct 2017 even Okposo might be sharing time with Boeser?

I like that 2nd line, you'd think you could match them pretty comfortably against some good lines. 

[mll]

41 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Danny Hank Okposo

Horvat Sutter Hansen     (swap draws based on left side, right side drop)

Baer McCann Rodin   (or Jake)

Etem Granlund Jake

Dorsett

 

Why is that a problem?

 

Play a year with the Twins. The year after with McCann, or Horvat, or whomever (Stamkos LOL?) grabs the 1C. Oct 2017 even Okposo might be sharing time with Boeser?

Again - never said it is a problem.   I think the team adds a UFA or through this year's draft a ready to play F for the top-6.  

 

We are projecting lineups for next year and all I am saying is that I don't think they will separate the Sedin-Sedin-Hansen line and I gave my arguments why.  Also, what happens if they take a step back - Hank is clearly playing injured.  Can they keep up with the speed of the game - etc.  

 

I am just sharing my thoughts on how I think the Canucks will try and ensure a smooth transition.  That's all.  We'll see what they do next season.

[numb3r 16]

25 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Danny Hank Okposo

Horvat Sutter Hansen     (swap draws based on left side, right side drop)

Baer McCann Rodin   (or Jake)

Etem Granlund Jake

Dorsett

 

Why is that a problem?

 

Play a year with the Twins. The year after with McCann, or Horvat, or whomever (Stamkos LOL?) grabs the 1C. Oct 2017 even Okposo might be sharing time with Boeser?

Why split Bo and Baer with the chemistry they've been showing I feel like they would be a pair treated sedin like; never split up.

[Canuck Surfer]

11 minutes ago, numb3r 16 said:

Why split Bo and Baer with the chemistry they've been showing I feel like they would be a pair treated sedin like; never split up.

Maybe because Bo has among the worst (worst?) plus / minus in the league.

 

Which, as much as we have seen some great goals from those two, means more goals are going the other way.  We brought in Sutter to be a tutor, and shoulder a defensive load. Let him, and let Bo learn from him. It also may not be Bo's fault he is such a minus player. He's a defensive centre, playing top match ups with Vrbata & Baertschi. Honestly, that's not who you would partner him with if you actually wanted to stop an opposing team?

 

Then let Baer work with a guy we want to develop as an offensive centre.

 

 

Plus we still have surplus centres. One or two of them have to play the wing.  That's bot necessarily a problem. It just is.

[lmm]

On ‎15‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 1:53 AM, Ossi Vaananen said:

Yup, brutal game for Grenier. -2 and a bad penalty.

 

I was at the game but missed the injuries, except Biega when i saw him escorted off.

 

Top 14 are all good. You've missed McLeod, who is a lock for the top 10. I'm hoping the Jets draft 4 just to take Tkachuk and have that legacy going. The Canucks will surely take one of the top two D in Chychrun or Juolevi. If we draft 7-10 and both are taken then I hope it's McLeod as the forward option. 

was he really that bad?

4 games in 4 nights, he did not look too energetic, however

he was on the ice for 4 goals and only Dorsett was on the ice for two. Meaning 4 different centers and 3 LWs.

and he was on for the goal when both D fell down.

 

It was not a great night for him statistically for sure. 

 

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6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Maybe because Bo has among the worst (worst?) plus / minus in the league.

 

Which, as much as we have seen some great goals from those two, means more goals are going the other way.  We brought in Sutter to be a tutor, and shoulder a defensive load. Let him, and let Bo learn from him. It also may not be Bo's fault he is such a minus player. He's a defensive centre, playing top match ups with Vrbata & Baertschi. Honestly, that's not who you would partner him with if you actually wanted to stop an opposing team?

 

Then let Baer work with a guy we want to develop as an offensive centre.

 

 

Plus we still have surplus centres. One or two of them have to play the wing.  That's bot necessarily a problem. It just is.

I'd personally prefer we let Sutter handle the shut down role on his own line and if anything, let Bo develop more as that guy we want to be the offensive centre.

 

If we're going for a shutdown line:

 

Sedin, Sedin, Okposo

Baer, Horvat, Virtanen/Rodin

Dorsett, Sutter, Hansen

Etem, Granlund, Rodin/Virtanen

 

If we're going for more balanced lines:

 

Sedin, Sedin, Okposo

Baer, Horvat, Hansen

Virtanen, Sutter, Rodin

Etem, Granlund, Dorsett

 

[NHTyrany]

On 15/03/2016 at 0:53 AM, riffraff said:

What I don't like is sbisa took a serious beating for the team earlier this year vs the jets, and nobody did anything about the run on Sven or Luca.

 

no excuse really.

Agree, one team is tough and the other is soft. It's not about individual size, it's about team culture. The Nucks don't seem to exude team toughness and mutual support. This needs to change.