TrevorLinden4ever Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 First line blue chip centre. Great deal for Matthews but never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I wouldn't trade Matthews for that package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Baer. said: I wouldn't trade Matthews for that package. I wouldn't trade that package for Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just now, thejazz97 said: I wouldn't trade that package for Matthews. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Such a massive over payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Ummm no... The big question mark is the 1st round pick... we could end up with a second through fifth pick... that would be giving away too much future, sorry to say it one excellent player doesn't make up for 4 very good players and 1 almost as excellent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Baer. said: I'd do it in a heartbeat. If we were GMs, I'd take you up on it for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: If we were GMs, I'd take you up on it for sure. If im canucks, i probably wouldn't do it if the pick was top-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 NOPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 You don't trade a talent like Mathews for any package, period. Quality over Quantity every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Good god is that an overpayment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Kane Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 virtanen upside = torres prime (20g/20a) - 40pts mccann upside = legwand (20g/30a) - 50pts cassels = bust gaunce = bust 1st = could be outside top 4.. if its top 3, probably not worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Why not wait until the draft lottery? The first round pick you are including in that package could just turn out to be Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 45 minutes ago, Lockhart said: Such a massive over payment. No WAY!!! This is a MASSIVE UNDERPAYMENT It would take McCann Horvat 1st Boeser Virtanen prob If we had it i would only consider it from Arizona for OEL Strome/Domi 1st OR simply saying, I wouldnt trade that pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Threads like these make me wonder why I stick around CDC in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 The closest comparison in history would be the Lindros Trade. Now Matthews is nowhere near as hyped as Lindros, but just for fun: Forsberg = Canucks first round pick this year. For fun lets say Dubois. Hextall = Markstrom Duchesne = Tanev Huffman = Sbisa Ricci = Horvat + two first round picks I don't think I would give up Dubois, Markstrom, Tanev, Sbisa, Horvat, plus two 1st round picks for Matthews. Matthews is a fairly highly touted pick, but not a generational player. Good comparable would be Tavares. While the Islanders built around Tavares, it was their depth which took them from a crappy team to a playoff team. Even with a solid supporting cast upfront of Okposo, Strome, Nielsen, Nelson, Lee, and Bailey (all over 40 points), some solid bottom six players in Martin and Clutterbuck, and an average D/goalie group of Harmonic, Leddy, Boychuck and Halak they are not an elite team. I don't think the Canucks are as bad as their record indicates. The Canucks have the 7th most man games lost: https://www.mangameslost.com/nhl-man-games-lost-april-2-2016/ Also: Edmonton (1st) and the Vancouver Canucks (2nd) face the greatest cumulative impact of injured forwards or defensemen by the IIT-skater metric. The Colorado Avalanche and LA Kings have faced the least impact due to injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorLinden4ever Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Why not wait until the draft lottery? The first round pick you are including in that package could just turn out to be Matthews. No kidding. I was thinking along the lines of having the 2nd overall, trade it (which will be one of the two fins) plus the dead weight mentioned. Nobody here could say any of that Canucks property could produce in the Swiss league the way Matthews has. Who's our numer 1 centre when Hanks tank dries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 45 minutes ago, Patrick Kane said: virtanen upside = torres prime (20g/20a) - 40pts mccann upside = legwand (20g/30a) - 50pts cassels = bust gaunce = bust 1st = could be outside top 4.. if its top 3, probably not worth it How is Gaunce or Cassels a bust? Virtanen also has more points than McCann if I'm not mistaken too. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Is that a joke? 5 first rounders for 1? Matthews may be a franchise-worthy center but lets be conservative and look at what's likely to happen. Matthews: 18-20 minute franchise center like Kopitar, good for a few 80 point seasons and likely future captain. McCann: 2nd line center, maybe top line for a year or two, peaking around the 20-30 goal, 60 point mark for a few seasons at best. Virtanen: 1st/2nd line winger, 30 goal physical goal scorer at best Gaunce: 2nd line center/winger at the best but more likely a consistent 3rd line grinder, 20 goals at best but more likely a consistent 10-15 goal, 30-40 point scorer Cassels: Who knows, yet to have much AHL success but likely an in-and-out 3rd to 4th liner 1st round pick: Going to be a top-10 if not top-5 pick, could be Chychrun who may be a top-4 to even top-2 NHL defenceman consistently With all that in mind if we want to trade up from say the 5th-6th pick (which is the furthest we'll drop it seems), I think we only need to include one of those former 1st round picks to secure it. My bet would be to include a center like Gaunce, McCann or Horvat to acquire a center in Matthews. Horvat is pretty much untouchable and becoming this franchise's new face, Gaunce probably isn't worth enough which leaves McCann as the seemingly possible trade chip. I'd rather keep him but Matthews for a 1st + McCann would be pretty nice. Then again so would Chychrun and McCann... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Matthews will be a top player but this is way too much of a set back in rebuilding our new core. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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