Alflives Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, nzan said: And Karlsson in Stecher, and Subban in Subban Yoppeee, Yappeee, and Yahooeee!!! We'd be winners for sure. Juiolevi does look really good though. He's a very smart player, with size and skill. Maybe he's Tanev with offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: 5th, We may disagree but we are both fans. Your tend to compare our prospects with others, not long after their drafted. It may be a trigger for posters like myself. I dont think its constructive to compare picks before a certain amount of time has passed, roughly 5 years. That allows for different development paths, growth rates and different organizational needs. We don't need to butt heads, I would much rather talk to you about the latest interview Jake had in Utica, talking about how much he is learning from his linemates on how to prepare and approach the pro game. To me, it is a positive bit of news, and offers some insight to how Jake and coach Green are approaching his time in Utica. As this organization seems to want to do, they will make everyone a responsible two way player, or you will never see time on the big club. It it is a sound strategy when you are not going to be getting 1st OA picks. Barring pulling a Jets from last year and winning the lotto, we at best will be in the 7-12 range for a pick. OK, good players to had there, but currently no expected game breakers. Enter Jake, who has attibutes that that can make him a good two way player, so does literally every player JB is targeting. Stylistically JB is losing entertainment value, but it may pay great dividends, especially considering our strengths in prospects in goal and defence. We only need one or two scoring wingers to be really effective in a defence first system. OJ fits prefectly with that model. His being drafted addresses a lot of gaps with our current d corps. What is really lacking is a good transition game, OJ's strength and all we have on the big club is Stecher Doing that. If JB builds a rough and ready team that can role 4 lines with solid up and down goal scoring ability, with a solid defence and great goaltending, welcome to the Minnesota Wild of this year. It may not be the favoured method to win a cup, but both Boston and LA won with a similar team model. It's also the path available. Jake fits in with that plan, if he can be rebuilt in Utica. Yes his progression is disappointing at face value, but the saga isn't over yet. EW sorry talking more about Jake in a OJ thread. Forgot where I was. Many are throwing Minny out as an example of a defense first team with mega offensive upside. I would throw Columbus into that conversation as well. Both team have size up front and both can play a heavy game. Both are built for CUP play IMHO. Canucks are not close with their forward group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Many are throwing Minny out as an example of a defense first team with mega offensive upside. I would throw Columbus into that conversation as well. Both team have size up front and both can play a heavy game. Both are built for CUP play IMHO. Canucks are not close with their forward group. Forward group is still very much a work in progress. After seeing how Benning and Co transformed our D core in a couple seasons, I'm excited to see what they do the next couple years with more focus on the forward group. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: Forward group is still very much a work in progress. After seeing how Benning and Co transformed our D core in a couple seasons, I'm excited to see what they do the next couple years with more focus on the forward group. We already have a few nice pieces coming up (Boeser, Gaudette etc). If we can land Patrick/Hischier this year as well as grab another 1st I think we'll be on a good pace to be contenders in the Sedins last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Pears said: We already have a few nice pieces coming up (Boeser, Gaudette etc). If we can land Patrick/Hischier this year as well as grab another 1st I think we'll be on a good pace to be contenders in the Sedins last season. Well I don't know about that last part. Hischier will almost certainly stay in junior or go to Utica if we do manage to luck out on the lotto and draft him. Gaudette, Lockwood etc are still likely a couple years away and Boeser will likely be in a middle 6 role next season if he makes the team. With the right trades etc... it certainly possible but I wouldn't call it likely. I do think we'll likely be slightly better than this year though. A bit more youth/talent injected and more/better depth in Utica should mean both teams do better next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Alflives said: Maybe we have Chara in Tryamkin, and Doughty in Juiolevi? Chars is a good 'fingers crossed' ceiling for Trymakin, that would be amazing. Juolevi's game doesn't remind me of Doughty, but I get where you are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Boudrias said: Many are throwing Minny out as an example of a defense first team with mega offensive upside. I would throw Columbus into that conversation as well. Both team have size up front and both can play a heavy game. Both are built for CUP play IMHO. Canucks are not close with their forward group. Agree with Columbus, both they and Minny have been really good this year. It would be a good model for JB to watch. We are definitely not close to what they have, but in all honesty they weren't really close until this year either. It built up over a number of seasons and now it is paying off. EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: Wait, this isn't true at all. Virtually every list had Juolevi 6th to 8th. Almost no one had him higher. And, almost no one had Juolevi higher than Tkachuk either. Even the people from the Knights thought Tkachuck was the clear winner between the two. When we look back on it in 10 years, we are going to be kicking ourselves... I remember posting it was down to OJ, PLD and Tkachuk with Chychurn as he dark horse. I wanted PLD. Could you imagine the CDC outrage if we took him and have Tkachuk doing so well... EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead80 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: Wait, this isn't true at all. Virtually every list had Juolevi 6th to 8th. Almost no one had him higher. And, almost no one had Juolevi higher than Tkachuk either. Even the people from the Knights thought Tkachuck was the clear winner between the two. When we look back on it in 10 years, we are going to be kicking ourselves... I was hoping for Tkachuk but expecting Juolevi due to our defensive prospect pool looking pretty thin, not to mention drafting the top dman in a draft is also pretty enticing. It's a pick I've learned to accept and has grown on me even with MT's early success. Half a season does make a career. While I wasn't initially on board with the pick, and even dropped a few WTF's when it was made, I find it hard to believe that if OJ turns into the top pairing dman that many hope he can become, Calgary may end up be the one's disappointed that we didn't take MT and let OJ drop to them. The kid is having a good solid season, but is by no means lighting the world on fire. Edited February 8, 2017 by canucklehead80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 18 hours ago, Pears said: We already have a few nice pieces coming up (Boeser, Gaudette etc). If we can land Patrick/Hischier this year as well as grab another 1st I think we'll be on a good pace to be contenders in the Sedins last season. We have a Granlund! We also have Baer, Bo and Gaunce. All will be good pieces to build a solid four line team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elvis15 Posted February 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 0:43 PM, J.R. said: Come on.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phat Fingers Posted February 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 2017-02-07 at 2:11 PM, bloodycanuckleheads said: Wait, this isn't true at all. Virtually every list had Juolevi 6th to 8th. Almost no one had him higher. And, almost no one had Juolevi higher than Tkachuk either. Even the people from the Knights thought Tkachuck was the clear winner between the two. When we look back on it in 10 years, we are going to be kicking ourselves... In the arse for making such a good draft pick IMO Boeser looks to be a similar player to Tkachuk without the asshole smirk. Calgary is flush in decent young defenders where we had almost nothing in the system until this year. OJ was a higher team need, and is the best defender of the draft. Tkachuk may be the first horse out of the gate, but there is a long way to go before declaring winners and losers. OJ is going to be great, I think he was JB's best pick since coming to Van. The handwringing sore loser draft analyst hype that prevails on this board is hilarious. BTW, Joulevi and Tkachuk were picked about were they should have been. Toss up. PLD at 3 was the surprise. Not one analyst thought Vancouver should have picked Tkachuk over Juolevi on draft day. PLD, Tkachuk and OJ were all projected to go between 4-6. There was no consensus ranking. Another thought, this team road a decent defence into the ground, by no adding any useful d prospects for close to ten years (save Tanev). We finally draft, what will likely be the best defender to wear Canucks colours so far in our entire history, and posters are 'wah wah, we should have drafted the son of Keith.. wah.' OJ has looked sublime in the film that I have managed to see, increased his points on a weaker team while carrying a pairing and being relied upon to take tough minutes. Whats not like about OJ and why are people talking about another teams player in his thread. Does MT play defence? No, so how does that matter in the evaluation of OJ? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethal_spaghetti Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Juolevi on sportsnet currently if anyone wants to tune in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 London vs Kitchener, just tuned in. Missed the 1st. Be nice to see something special from Juolevi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: London vs Kitchener, just tuned in. Missed the 1st. Be nice to see something special from Juolevi. Juiolevi is not that type of player. He is good, but in a subtle way: good positioning, excellent first pass. That kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Yeah, I realize he's not an offensive, flashy player. He does make good decisions with the puck, very composed. Maybe a nice stretch pass for a goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 8:54 AM, KKnight said: I thought Hutton was looking better defensively for a few games leading up to his injury. Looked a lot calmer. Pairing up with Chris Tanev would do that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: Pairing up with Chris Tanev would do that to you. Hutton looked quite good last night with Tryamkin too, didn't he? I thought he did anyway:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 To anyone who is still lusting after Tkachuk, relax! Sometime in the next 2 seasons, Calgary will be offering him to us for either a second-round pick or a late-first-round pseudo-prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Juolevi didn't look too good on that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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