CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, J.R. said: I think we may see some big moves this summer and space on D. I agree. One of our dman is going to get traded and OJ will fill that roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BananaMash Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: Why exactly can't he get stronger practicing and playing against men in the AHL? I realize strength doesn't come overnight, but it'd be a start and an opportunity to show the kid where he needs to get to. Because that's not optimal for strength training. You can gain strength and muscle mass while running insane amounts of cardio, but it's really difficult. You have to eat a stupid amount to counteract the expenditure in games and practice, you somehow have to balance weight training at high volume while also being in game shape (very little recovery time), and you open yourself up to a world of injuries if your focus is split. There's a reason that the majority of NHL players lose weight throughout the season. You don't notice the strength loss because it's pretty even across the league. No one is concerned about Juolevi's hockey IQ or ability to play against men mentally. There would be very little to gain from him joining one of the pro clubs for the little amount of season left. His big deficit is strength, and he needs to be able to focus on that entirely and come into camp a lot more powerful than he is now. They're best off sending him home with a lifting and eating program and telling him to work his bag off until September. It'll benefit him greatly when he tries to make a push for the big team. Edited April 3, 2017 by BananaMash 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 37 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said: I agree. One of our dman is going to get traded and OJ will fill that roster spot. Need more than one moved to make room for OJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethal_spaghetti Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, J.R. said: Need more than one moved to make room for OJ. sbisa to las vegas and tanev or hutton to colorado? i can wish right haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, lethal_spaghetti said: sbisa to las vegas and tanev or hutton to colorado? i can wish right haha. My guess would be Sbisa or Edler moved before the expansion draft or Vegas will be given a low pick to protect Sbisa. Hutton and maybe a prospect like McEneny/Subban moved as well. Personally Im hoping Hutton+ for a first, Dallas or Arizona maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 hours ago, lethal_spaghetti said: sbisa to las vegas and tanev or hutton to colorado? i can wish right haha. IMO, one of Edler/Tanev/Sbisa gets moved ahead of the ED and then we'd have to move another guy to fit Juolevi. Could be Hutton. We'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 10 hours ago, J.R. said: Need more than one moved to make room for OJ. Sbisa to Vegas and Tanev or Hutton traded? Doubt it but could happen. I honestly don't see Edler going anywhere. We'd fetch more from Tanev or Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said: Sbisa to Vegas and Tanev or Hutton traded? Doubt it but could happen. I honestly don't see Edler going anywhere. We'd fetch more from Tanev or Hutton. Dont underestimate the value of Edler. He's still a top pairing D man with a few good years left in him. Look at what Burrows got in return and you'd think Edler would fetch a first+ or A level prospect+. Edler could net a good amount if he'd waive. Have to imagine our D group is shaken up quite a bit next year. If Edler was traded id be very happy and if we got a really good forward for Hutton Id be stoked Juolevi-Tanev Sbisa-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stetcher If Edlers not traded before the expansion draft then Sbisa is probably gone instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ihatetomatoes Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2017 36 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Dont underestimate the value of Edler. He's still a top pairing D man with a few good years left in him. Look at what Burrows got in return and you'd think Edler would fetch a first+ or A level prospect+. Edler could net a good amount if he'd waive. Have to imagine our D group is shaken up quite a bit next year. If Edler was traded id be very happy and if we got a really good forward for Hutton Id be stoked Juolevi-Tanev Sbisa-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stetcher If Edlers not traded before the expansion draft then Sbisa is probably gone instead. Thats some high expectations to plop a 19 year old kid on your 1st pairing. That D looks ready for a 1st overall draft pick 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said: Thats some high expectations to plop a 19 year old kid on your 1st pairing. That D looks ready for a 1st overall draft pick No kidding eh. I dont see the point in rushing him into the line next year. Hes got a good coach and organizations in the ohl, and i think that's better for his development than getting pounded on with a terribe canucks team next year that consistently gives up 40+ shots a night. Rushing a defensmen that needs to add strength onto our team next year is asking for an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 49 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Dont underestimate the value of Edler. He's still a top pairing D man with a few good years left in him. Look at what Burrows got in return and you'd think Edler would fetch a first+ or A level prospect+. Edler could net a good amount if he'd waive. I think he'd probably be more of a 4th defender on most teams that would want a veteran player like Edler. I see Hutton or Tanev being moved over him. I'd prefer Edler to go, but I just don't see anyone biting on him as a commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: Dont underestimate the value of Edler. He's still a top pairing D man with a few good years left in him. Look at what Burrows got in return and you'd think Edler would fetch a first+ or A level prospect+. Edler could net a good amount if he'd waive. Have to imagine our D group is shaken up quite a bit next year. If Edler was traded id be very happy and if we got a really good forward for Hutton Id be stoked Juolevi-Tanev Sbisa-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stetcher If Edlers not traded before the expansion draft then Sbisa is probably gone instead. I do not see Joulevi playing NHL next year. Camp + 9 games makes sense but that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BananaMash said: I think he'd probably be more of a 4th defender on most teams that would want a veteran player like Edler. I see Hutton or Tanev being moved over him. I'd prefer Edler to go, but I just don't see anyone biting on him as a commodity. He'd be at worst 3rd D on all but maybe a few NHL teams with incredibly deep D. That said, I agree Tanev is easier to move and likely has higher trade value. I also think we can afford to lose him more at this point as we have more ready guys capable of playing right D top 4 minutes/situations. 35 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said: Thats some high expectations to plop a 19 year old kid on your 1st pairing. That D looks ready for a 1st overall draft pick No kidding. If Juolevi has a GREAT summer, gets bigger, earns a spot at camp AND we make enough moves to make space for him, he's almost certainly starting out on the 3rd pair to shelter him. I do not see Joulevi playing NHL next year. Camp + 9 games makes sense but that is all. Only way that happens is with trades/injury. There's no room for a 9 game tryout without them. Edited April 3, 2017 by J.R. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I do not see Joulevi playing NHL next year. Camp + 9 games makes sense but that is all. nope, it is almost a certainty that he returns to London and then a year in Utica after that.......imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, stawns said: nope, it is almost a certainty that he returns to London and then a year in Utica after that.......imo Totally agree. Canucks are not going anywhere for a couple of years. No need to hurry Joulevi. A year in Utica will start his pro career without the Vancouver BS from media and fans. I noticed Tanev took a hard hit again last night and missed a shift or two. Came back and finished the game. I have a uneasy feeling about his long term durability not just in regular season but particularly in playoffs where he would be targeted. Benning has to deal a d-man before the Vegas draft, just say'in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, Boudrias said: Totally agree. Canucks are not going anywhere for a couple of years. No need to hurry Joulevi. A year in Utica will start his pro career without the Vancouver BS from media and fans. I noticed Tanev took a hard hit again last night and missed a shift or two. Came back and finished the game. I have a uneasy feeling about his long term durability not just in regular season but particularly in playoffs where he would be targeted. Benning has to deal a d-man before the Vegas draft, just say'in. I've always advocated moving Tanev, for that reason alone. I love his game, but he is a target and he is not durable. Move him while his value is high and before he suffers a serious injury and loses all that value. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, stawns said: I've always advocated moving Tanev, for that reason alone. I love his game, but he is a target and he is not durable. Move him while his value is high and before he suffers a serious injury and loses all that value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, stawns said: I've always advocated moving Tanev, for that reason alone. I love his game, but he is a target and he is not durable. Move him while his value is high and before he suffers a serious injury and loses all that value. Definitely. He's only hit the 70 game mark once, and never a full season. His build and lack of elusiveness make him a massive injury risk. It'd suck to see him go because he's a rock when he is in the lineup, but it would be smart to move him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Juolevi seems to be the anti-Virtanen. All the brains, none of the strength...yet. Strength can be gained. Brains can't. Edited April 3, 2017 by Qwags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, stawns said: I've always advocated moving Tanev, for that reason alone. I love his game, but he is a target and he is not durable. Move him while his value is high and before he suffers a serious injury and loses all that value. Much the way Stecher is a target now. Both play or have played with Edler who deos nothing to protect his more vulnerable partner. It's fine to have guys like that on your blue line but they need a partner like Guddy or Try to keep other teams from taking liberties. As for Tanev, hate to lose him but his injuries are taking a toll and it would be better to get a solid young asset for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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