Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[mll]

48 minutes ago, Sergei Shirokov said:

Well I understand the pick 100%. Look how many top four defensemen are available in free agency compared to how many wingers. Needless to say, if this rebuild is going to work, we really really need Juolevi to pan out. Maybe even more than Hughes. Hughes will be a really good offensive defense, but we under estimate how important having a steady two way defensemen will be.

This was Utica's assistant coach Andrew Agnew who works with the Ds last week on Juolevi:

 

But again, he’s a guy that’s going to be a power-play type of guy when he gets there, and as long as he can get the other facets of his game down — which he is doing — he should be able to get there at some point, and stay there. Which is another goal, obviously. You don’t want a guy that goes up early, then comes down and takes a while to recover.

 

I think that’s the type of guy he’s going to be. A good puck-moving, solid defenceman that can add offensively and hopefully defend the right way.

 

His description doesn't sound like a two-way D that can play in all situations - Juolevi is not even used on the penalty kill in Utica.

[JeremyCuddles]

6 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

Tkachuk is turning into an elite player. He's currently tied for 6th in league scoring.

 

Juolevi turning into a pretty good player would probably make it about equal considering the disparity in value between a winger and a defenseman. 

Elite anything is better than good. Come on now. That's like saying Kucherov is equally as valuable as Edler.

[Dungass]

8 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Both Hughes and Juolevi are known looking lazy on the ice at times. We're going to need a bunch of Stetchers (hopefully with a bit more size) to balance that out.

Hmmmm, can't agree with this at all.  I subscribed to AHL TV, in large part to specifically watch Juolevi (and Demko, Dahlen, and sigh, Lind).  I've been critical of him here in the past, and gotten lots of heat for it.  I still criticize parts of his game, not nearly physical enough, and can't imagine him becoming a top pairing defence man.  Top 4 is his ceiling I think.

 

But, I've never once seen him dogging it on the ice.  He prides himself and being calm and not panicking, but that shouldn't be confused with disinterest.

[alfstonker]

9 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Both Hughes and Juolevi are known looking lazy on the ice at times. We're going to need a bunch of Stetchers (hopefully with a bit more size) to balance that out.

What is your evidence of this? I don't see that in either player.

[HorvatToBaertschi]

1 hour ago, alfstonker said:

What is your evidence of this? I don't see that in either player.

They play so calmly and confidently that they look lazy. But really they are just steps ahead of the play. That's my take anyway

[Sergei Shirokov]

12 hours ago, mll said:

This was Utica's assistant coach Andrew Agnew who works with the Ds last week on Juolevi:

 

But again, he’s a guy that’s going to be a power-play type of guy when he gets there, and as long as he can get the other facets of his game down — which he is doing — he should be able to get there at some point, and stay there. Which is another goal, obviously. You don’t want a guy that goes up early, then comes down and takes a while to recover.

 

I think that’s the type of guy he’s going to be. A good puck-moving, solid defenceman that can add offensively and hopefully defend the right way.

 

His description doesn't sound like a two-way D that can play in all situations - Juolevi is not even used on the penalty kill in Utica.

 

I thought he did play on the PK. I remember Ryan Johnson saying he was playing 23-24 minutes a night which would  be hard if didn't kill penalties. I don't have the exact facts though.

(Not a 100% sure) The defensive side of the game will come. It just takes time. Defense is the hardest position to player. I'm pretty sure Sergachev, Chychurn and McAvoy aren't know for their defenseive games as well. 

[Noble 6]

6 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

Elite anything is better than good. Come on now. That's like saying Kucherov is equally as valuable as Edler.

 

Kucherov vs. Edler is farther apart than what I'm saying. I'm saying something like Paryako vs. Nylander or something.

[Noble 6]

4 hours ago, Dungass said:

Hmmmm, can't agree with this at all.  I subscribed to AHL TV, in large part to specifically watch Juolevi (and Demko, Dahlen, and sigh, Lind).  I've been critical of him here in the past, and gotten lots of heat for it.  I still criticize parts of his game, not nearly physical enough, and can't imagine him becoming a top pairing defence man.  Top 4 is his ceiling I think.

 

But, I've never once seen him dogging it on the ice.  He prides himself and being calm and not panicking, but that shouldn't be confused with disinterest.

 

3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

What is your evidence of this? I don't see that in either player.

 

I didn't say there are lazy, but rather it looks like it sometimes. Juolevi is similar to Edler in that he plays the game so which makes all of his mistakes look terrible. Hughes quite frankly is lazy in the defensive zone at times, but it sounds like he's improving that. 

[alfstonker]

2 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

They play so calmly and confidently that they look lazy. But really they are just steps ahead of the play. That's my take anyway

You are splitting hairs now. There is a difference between calm and confident and lazy. You are implying they are lazy, why else would you add that we needed more "Stetcher types" insinuating these types will make the shortfall in work done by these two.

 

I say there is absolutely no evidence of either looking OR being lazy.

[alfstonker]

57 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

 

I didn't say there are lazy, but rather it looks like it sometimes. Juolevi is similar to Edler in that he plays the game so which makes all of his mistakes look terrible. Hughes quite frankly is lazy in the defensive zone at times, but it sounds like he's improving that. 

I don't agree with any of that, so we will just have agree to disagree.

[HorvatToBaertschi]

1 hour ago, alfstonker said:

You are splitting hairs now. There is a difference between calm and confident and lazy. You are implying they are lazy, why else would you add that we needed more "Stetcher types" insinuating these types will make the shortfall in work done by these two.

 

I say there is absolutely no evidence of either looking OR being lazy.

I didnt insinuate we need more Stechers. That was someone else. I think We need more good Dmen. We have that in Oj and Quinn

[Gaudette Celly]

15 hours ago, mll said:

His description doesn't sound like a two-way D that can play in all situations - Juolevi is not even used on the penalty kill in Utica.

Fortunately his hockey IQ and understanding of the game will enable that as he can certainly figure it out.  The only thing preventing it would be his own attitude, work ethic, and determination to do it.

[JustNazzy]

3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

You are splitting hairs now. There is a difference between calm and confident and lazy. You are implying they are lazy, why else would you add that we needed more "Stetcher types" insinuating these types will make the shortfall in work done by these two.

 

I say there is absolutely no evidence of either looking OR being lazy.

"Salo said Juolevi will need to focus on body language.

Wait, what?

“He has a tendency sometimes to look like he’s disinterested, even though he’s not,” Salo said. “Body language is very important in the NHL."

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-top-prospects-no-2-olli-juolevi

 

Why You Need To Find Out If You Are Lazy Or You Are Disinterested

https://betterhumans.coach.me/why-you-need-to-find-out-if-you-are-lazy-or-you-are-disinterested-c2037b854deb

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by JustNazzy

[Ray_Cathode]

5 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Fortunately his hockey IQ and understanding of the game will enable that as he can certainly figure it out.  The only thing preventing it would be his own attitude, work ethic, and determination to do it.

Different skating skills needed in defending than in attacking - he seems to have a problem with his pivots to the left, but that is a problem  solvable with some work on his skating.  His gap control is another issue, but that is largely experience.  Anyway, I sure like his attacking skills, it might be very interesting some day with him being the D on the PP, and Hughes being a sort of rover.

[Alflives]

Just now, Ray_Cathode said:

Different skating skills needed in defending than in attacking - he seems to have a problem with his pivots to the left, but that is a problem  solvable with some work on his skating.  His gap control is another issue, but that is largely experience.  Anyway, I sure like his attacking skills, it might be very interesting some day with him being the D on the PP, and Hughes being a sort of rover.

Can’t really teach Hockey Q and offensive gifts.  Like you say, the defensive side of the puck can be taught.  Olli is going to be a very good player for us.  I see him as Hamhuis + way more offense 

[Ray_Cathode]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Can’t really teach Hockey Q and offensive gifts.  Like you say, the defensive side of the puck can be taught.  Olli is going to be a very good player for us.  I see him as Hamhuis + way more offense 

Yeah, I see the Hamhuis in him in terms of his intelligence and calmness, but Juolevi could end up being a big man that can skate and think while he is skating.  As far as thinking while on the move, the last guy in a Canuck uniform I can remember like that in offensive Q was Paul Reinhart  - the possible size would just be a bonus.  It is the possible blending with his game and Hughes that is really intriguing to me - having two defenders at the same time, that clever, could be really something to see setting up Pettersson and Boeser.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

[Nuxfanabroad]

We just need patience with this prospect. Not every pick is delivered on-time, right off a conveyor belt.

[Dungass]

Medical specialists are making a killing off the Canucks this year.  1 groin specialist, 1 concussion specialist (two different Canuck players) and now a knee specialist.  Soon, there might be a queue of them just hanging around outside Rogers Arena.  "Any jobs today guys?".

Edited November 25, 2018 by Dungass

[Ray_Cathode]

17 minutes ago, Dungass said:

Medical specialists are making a killing off the Canucks this year.  1 groin specialist, 1 concussion specialist (two different Canuck players) and now a knee specialist.  Soon, there might be a queue of them just hanging around outside Rogers Arena.  "Any jobs today guys?".

Medical specialists are making a killing off the Canucks pretty much every year. The worst of it usually ties in with the schedule, the real problem though is the importance of the players to the team that seem to get injured.  Not wishing any I’ll will on anyone in particular, but why Edler, Tanev, Boeser, Pettersson (hasn’t been the same since), Baertschi, Sutter - seems to pretty much always be key players.  Wonder why?  This team seems to need, more than any other, depth in quality.