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86Viking Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Good deal for Anaheim in my opinion. yes they take on his 4m dollar cap hit, but Toronto paid him a bonus on July 1 so his salary Anaheim has to pay is just over 2m for the year. Bernier should do decent on a better team and more importantly a fresh start. If we only had Markstrom and no Miller I would have been all over this. Surprised that Calgary didnt try to maybe got with a 1a 1b tandem of Elliott and Bernier and see who takes the #1 job and that goalie gets a contract extension. Toronto dumps another 4m plus off the books, so puts them in line to take a salary dump player again at the deadline like last year, smart move by their management as they already committed to Anderson as the #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Anybody know the conditions on the pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 23 hours ago, Fanuck said: Acquired for expansion draft requirements likely. Insurance during regular season just a bonus. I'm sure we'll do something similar to protect Markstrom next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Anybody know the conditions on the pick? Some Leafs fans on HF were saying Lou was quoted saying it was "future considerations". So don't think it's significant. This was about shedding cap for the Leafs. Acquiring a temporary solution as backup for the Ducks. Getting a fresh start for Bernier so that he can try and get a new contract next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 32 minutes ago, Toews said: Some Leafs fans on HF were saying Lou was quoted saying it was "future considerations". So don't think it's significant. This was about shedding cap for the Leafs. Acquiring a temporary solution as backup for the Ducks. Getting a fresh start for Bernier so that he can try and get a new contract next year. Not much to criticize them it looks like. Seems like a win win then for both teams. Low risk/high reward move for the Ducks and salary relief is always a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Not much to criticize them it looks like. Seems like a win win then for both teams. Low risk/high reward move for the Ducks and salary relief is always a win. Ah the patented Leafs cycle of overpaying dramatically, and then dumping the contract and getting praised for dumping bad salary. Kessel, Clarkson, Phaneuf, Bernier, etc, etc. Just wait until they manage to rid of all the garbage contracts they currently still have. Sure wish Benning were such a cap wizard. Just doesn't knowz howda rebuildz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 14 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: at this current moment nope they ain't any closer than we are for sure.. but in a few years when some of their prospect matures.. they'll be well ahead of where we are as we'll still be looking for the next star player to carry us at the draft or trade for to lead the team. The Sabres have some great young prospects for sure, but not all great young prospects reach their potential. Lot's of unheralded prospects become all stars. It's a crapshoot. Look at Canada's roster for the world cup, or past few Olympics, there are many top draft picks on the team, but many were picked in the middle of the first round and later. You can get star players without picking in the top 5. The draft is not the only way to acquire talent. I love that we are actively adding through trades, UFA, College FA, European leagues, as we are adding organizational depth in a number of age brackets. Many of these players won't pan out, but if even one or two of them do, it will change the direction of this franchise for sure. The partial rebuild/retool that Benning is in the process of may work very well, and we are a competitive team as early as next year. It might not. If it doesn't, you will get your high draft picks anyway. I just don't understand not trying to be competitive. I certainly don't understand the idea that the Leafs or Oilers have done it right, when at this point they have a combined total of 3 playoff wins in the last 10 combined seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Anybody know the conditions on the pick? Looks like they're too chickencrap to disclose this: the asset-management optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, oldnews said: Looks like they're too chickencrap to disclose this: the asset-management optics. The Leafs paid Bernier a $2M signing bonus..and then traded him..pretty confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Just now, Honky Cat said: The Leafs paid Bernier a $2M signing bonus..and then traded him..pretty confusing? Apparently the Ducks would not allow them to dump Bernier into the Andersen deal for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 13 hours ago, Rodzilla said: Oh Jonathan Bernier, the genius who called Nelson Mandela one of his favourite athletes. I don't think he'll ever live that one down. LOL what a tool! I just watched the video. I cringed watching it, how embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 On 7/8/2016 at 9:14 AM, nuckin_futz said: Anaheim's big moves this off season are acquiring Bernier and Mason Raymond? Feel the Bern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Chris Johnston @reporterchris 11m11 minutes ago Sources: The #leafs only receive pick in Bernier trade if goalie reaches 2017 Stanley Cup: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/breaking-conditional-pick-leafs-bernier-trade … Quote The Toronto Maple Leafs will only receive a draft pick from the Anaheim Ducks as part of the Jonathan Bernier trade if the goaltender reaches the Stanley Cup Final next season, Sportsnet has learned. There were four conditions placed on the pick included in the July 8 trade, according to sources, and each of them involves Bernier’s new team playing for a championship in 2017. He would also have to start 50 per cent of the playoff games during that run, leaving Toronto with fairly long odds of recouping an asset in the deal. The details of the conditional pick weren’t disclosed by either team when the transaction was completed. They are: — If Bernier starts half of Anaheim’s playoff games next spring and the Ducks win the Stanley Cup, Toronto receives the Ducks’ 2017 second-round pick. (If Anaheim doesn’t still own that selection, it will transfer its next available second-rounder from a future year.) — If Bernier starts half of Anaheim’s playoff games next spring and the Ducks lose in the Stanley Cup Final, Toronto receives the Ducks’ 2017 third-round pick. (If Anaheim doesn’t still own that selection, it will transfer its next available third-rounder from a future year.) — Should Anaheim trade Bernier to a team that starts him in half of its playoff games next spring and wins the Stanley Cup, Toronto receives the Ducks’ second-round pick. — Should Anaheim trade Bernier to a team that starts him in half of its playoff games next spring and loses in the Stanley Cup Final, Toronto receives the Ducks’ third-round pick. If none of those things happen, the Leafs will receive no tangible return for Bernier beyond the useful cap space the move created. Under the rules of the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement, Anaheim assumes all of Bernier’s $4.15-million cap hit for 2016-17 even though Toronto paid him a $2-million bonus a week before dealing him away. In many ways, the trade can be seen as an add-on to the June 20 deal that brought Frederik Andersen to Toronto. The Leafs sent the 30th overall pick in June’s draft plus a 2017 second-rounder to Anaheim for the Danish goaltender. (Toronto currently owns three second-round picks next year — their own, plus one from Ottawa and one from San Jose. Whichever pick ends up being the middle of the three will be transferred to the Ducks in the Andersen deal.) The low return on Bernier is representative of his up-and-down tenure in Toronto. He arrived with high expectations from the Los Angeles Kings in June 2013 for Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin and a second-round pick, but struggled for big stretches of the last two seasons. Should one of the conditions in the deal with Anaheim be met, an extra draft pick would represent a nice bonus for Toronto. The team is slated to surrender its third-round pick in each of the next two seasons as compensation for hiring Mike Babcock (Detroit, 2017) and Lou Lamoriello (New Jersey, 2018). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Chris Johnston @reporterchris 11m11 minutes ago Sources: The #leafs only receive pick in Bernier trade if goalie reaches 2017 Stanley Cup: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/breaking-conditional-pick-leafs-bernier-trade … ...from the Los Angeles Kings in June 2013 for Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin and a second-round pick #muhassetmanagement #givingawaypicks #fleecedagain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 If Bernier becomes the starter of a Stanley Cup team.... So the Leafs essentially waived Bernier to Anaheim for nothing - as those conditional terms pretty much preclude Toronto from getting anything for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, oldnews said: If Bernier becomes the starter of a Stanley Cup team.... So the Leafs essentially waived Bernier to Anaheim for nothing - as those conditional terms pretty much preclude Toronto from getting anything for him. But....but.....the Leafs are going to be a force to contend with according to TSN and analyticzzz! They have Matthews, Martin, and Polak. Unstoppable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 This can't be he most interesting thing going on today on CDC. Come on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 So: 1st and 2nd and Bernier (2nd, Scrivens, Frattin) for Andersen 1st, 2nd, 2nd, Scrivens (who LA dealt for a 3rd), and Frattin...... Round 1 = 2 x 4.15 million deal - turning a 2nd, Scrivens and Frattin into..... a cap dump. And then 5 x 5 million for round 2. Not hard to see why they wanted to delay the impact of what they actually got for Bernier - nothing but a pipe dream conditional. Leafs bleeding futures for a goaltender - and ironically, still getting praised by some people for the genius of the proper rebuild...through the draft lol. #1x2nd=Demko #Benningdudn'tknowzhowzdarebuildz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, oldnews said: So: 1st and 2nd and Bernier (2nd, Scrivens, Frattin) for Andersen 1st, 2nd, 2nd, Scrivens (who LA dealt for a 3rd), and Frattin...... Round 1 = 2 x 4.15 million deal - turning a 2nd, Scrivens and Frattin into..... a cap dump. And then 5 x 5 million for round 2. Not hard to see why they wanted to delay the impact of what they actually got for Bernier - nothing but a pipe dream conditional. Leafs bleeding futures for a goaltender - and ironically, still getting praised by some people for the genius of the proper rebuild...through the draft lol. #1x2nd=Demko #Benningdudn'tknowzhowzdarebuildz But Toronto is the centre of the universe, don't cha know? Intentional tanking is a far more honest achievement than trying to actually compete according to the Eastern media hacks. Jake Gardiner is the nexzt Lidzztrom! Matthewzzz is the next Toewzzz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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