Afghan axeman attacks train passengers

[Jägermeister]

7 hours ago, Stanky Legs said:

@Jägermeister

...?

[Mustapha]

4 hours ago, Captain Woodget said:

Sadly tragedies such as this are inevitable; allowing more than a million unknown migrants to settle in your country, without documentation, prior history or testing, will unfortunately see not just one, but many unstable people coming to your country and causing chaos. Yes, the migrant crisis was serious. Yes, the 'West' did not handle it appropriately. But more than 20 innocent people have been injured/affected due to politicians giving into mass public and media hysteria about the migrant crisis.

 

No-one wins here. The victims and their families will be forever haunted. The German people will be wary for a long time of anyone clearly not German. The migrants will be shunned by society, for good or ill. Politicians will either call for togetherness, or call for migrants to be sent back home. Meanwhile, the attacker's religion is attacked (rightly or wrongly), and the minute percentage of religious zealots across Europe will see this as an opportunity.

 

I worry for Germany today. They have a growing problem with the neo-Nazi movement, and incidents such as this may see some retaliation.

 

Hopefully common sense will prevail, and European countries will continue to work together to root out the bad apples. Regardless of the Brexit, the UK will have a key role to play in 

 

Can anyone give me even a 1% rational explanation of why Allah would approve of this attack?

Quran 4:89:  "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

This is just one of many verses inciting violence against non-believers.

 

I am not in favour of hate speech laws, but considering they do exist in Germany, could someone explain to me why Neo-Nazi hate speech is not tolerated, but Islamic hate speech preached by Imams is tolerated? Much of it is the same anti-Semitic rhetoric, they have very much in common in that sense.

 

Surely what's good for the goose is good for the gander... or is it bigoted to expect migrants to follow the laws of the country they invad..adopted?

 

[ShakyWalton]

Should open a forum strictly for terrorist acts..it would be well used.

[Gurn]

http://www.christianitydisproved.com/bible/violent-bible-verses.html

 

http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran

 

"

1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

4. Fight them until there is no more [disbelief or worshipping of other gods] and worship is for God alone.

5. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6. Whoso fighteth in the way of God, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

7. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

8. [God’s messenger]... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The [holy man] replied, "They [women and children] are from them [unbelievers]."

9. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

10. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

11. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.

12. The punishment of those who wage war against God and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

13. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

14. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

15. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

16. I shall terrorize the [heathens]. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose God and his apostle.

17. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

18. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

19. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

20. And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

21. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

22. The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, "O [believer]! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

23. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.

24. God’s Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but God."

25. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.

26. God said, "A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. [Prophet], you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But God desires killing them to manifest the religion."

27. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].

28. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) [your religion]; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept [the faith], demand from them [a tax]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek God's help and fight them.

29. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.

30. Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us.

Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? The question is hard to answer. A tally at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible counts 842 violent or cruel passages in the Bible as compared to 333 in the Quran. That said, the Bible is a much thicker tome, and even though the New Testament endorses and adds to the violence in the Old, when percentages are compared, the Quran comes out ahead. In addition, the kinds of cruelty and violence vary as do the perpetrator and victim and the extent to which any verse can be interpreted as divine sanction for the behavior in question. Either way, this short test offers an illustrative sample from each sacred text.

Bible and Quran believers who recognize verses in this list will no doubt protest that they have been taken out of context, as indeed they have. I think the appropriate response to such a complaint is a question: What context, exactly, would make these verses uplifting, inspiring or worthy of praise? In what context are passages like these some of the most important and holy guidance that the creator of the universe might think to impart to humankind? In what context is a book that contains these passages and many, many more like them the apogee of divine goodness and timeless wisdom?

Members of each Abrahamic tradition are quick to point out the rational and moral flaws in the others. I wonder sometimes, what this world might be like if they were as quick to examine the flaws in their own.

__________________________

Key: Odd numbered quotes are from the Bible, even numbers from the Quran or Hadith. 1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Bukhari 11:626; 3. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 4. Quran 2:193; 5. Matthew 10:34-35; 6. Quran 4:74; 7.Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 8. Bukhari 52:256; 9. Ezekiel 9:5 NLT; 10. Quran 8:12; 11. Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. Quran5:33; 13. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 14. Quran 8:67; 15. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 16. Quran 8:12; 17. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 18. Quran 9:5; 19. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 20. Quran 17:16; 21. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 22.Bukhari 52:177; 23. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 24. Bukhari 8:387; 25. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 26. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484; 27. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 28. Muslim 19:4294; 29. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; 30. Tabari 9:69"

 

 

 

 While you are getting rid of the Koran, take the bible away at the same time. Maybe even look at getting rid of all the holy texts after a review for "hate speech".

[Dekey Pete]

1 minute ago, gurn said:

http://www.christianitydisproved.com/bible/violent-bible-verses.html

 

http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran

 

"

1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

4. Fight them until there is no more [disbelief or worshipping of other gods] and worship is for God alone.

5. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6. Whoso fighteth in the way of God, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

7. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

8. [God’s messenger]... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The [holy man] replied, "They [women and children] are from them [unbelievers]."

9. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

10. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

11. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.

12. The punishment of those who wage war against God and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

13. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

14. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

15. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

16. I shall terrorize the [heathens]. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose God and his apostle.

17. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

18. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

19. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

20. And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

21. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

22. The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, "O [believer]! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

23. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.

24. God’s Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but God."

25. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.

26. God said, "A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. [Prophet], you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But God desires killing them to manifest the religion."

27. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].

28. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) [your religion]; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept [the faith], demand from them [a tax]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek God's help and fight them.

29. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.

30. Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us.

Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? The question is hard to answer. A tally at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible counts 842 violent or cruel passages in the Bible as compared to 333 in the Quran. That said, the Bible is a much thicker tome, and even though the New Testament endorses and adds to the violence in the Old, when percentages are compared, the Quran comes out ahead. In addition, the kinds of cruelty and violence vary as do the perpetrator and victim and the extent to which any verse can be interpreted as divine sanction for the behavior in question. Either way, this short test offers an illustrative sample from each sacred text.

Bible and Quran believers who recognize verses in this list will no doubt protest that they have been taken out of context, as indeed they have. I think the appropriate response to such a complaint is a question: What context, exactly, would make these verses uplifting, inspiring or worthy of praise? In what context are passages like these some of the most important and holy guidance that the creator of the universe might think to impart to humankind? In what context is a book that contains these passages and many, many more like them the apogee of divine goodness and timeless wisdom?

Members of each Abrahamic tradition are quick to point out the rational and moral flaws in the others. I wonder sometimes, what this world might be like if they were as quick to examine the flaws in their own.

__________________________

Key: Odd numbered quotes are from the Bible, even numbers from the Quran or Hadith. 1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Bukhari 11:626; 3. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 4. Quran 2:193; 5. Matthew 10:34-35; 6. Quran 4:74; 7.Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 8. Bukhari 52:256; 9. Ezekiel 9:5 NLT; 10. Quran 8:12; 11. Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. Quran5:33; 13. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 14. Quran 8:67; 15. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 16. Quran 8:12; 17. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 18. Quran 9:5; 19. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 20. Quran 17:16; 21. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 22.Bukhari 52:177; 23. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 24. Bukhari 8:387; 25. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 26. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484; 27. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 28. Muslim 19:4294; 29. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; 30. Tabari 9:69"

 

 

 

 While you are getting rid of the Koran, take the bible away at the same time. Maybe even look at getting rid of all the holy texts after a review for "hate speech".

Thank you, I was waiting for someone to post something like this.  All of these religious texts are barbaric, from a barbaric time in history.  Religious extremism is a problem regardless of which religion they are using to justify their actions.  

[Gurn]

Due to age/demographics many have either forgotten or were not old enough to remember the Catholic and Protestant bombing campaigns and violence in Ireland.

Heck even budhist monks are having violent fights from time to time.

[Canuck_Fan_52]

5 hours ago, Jimayo said:

I love when people do this in situations like this.  The cognitive dissonance it takes to pretend this is anywhere near the same league as gun violence is pathetic.  All the victims are still alive.  This is a case that shows how important gun control is.  If he had a gun they'd be dead and probably many more besides.

What about the situation in Nice, France where a truck driven by an individual was used to kill 80+ people? 

 

The point is, even if we limit guns, people who seek to harm others will find other means to inflict harm and/or kill people. 

 

In the absence of guns, we can have a truck, or even a bomb can be used to have a mass killing.

 

The heart of the matter is the character of the individual, not the means that the same individual used to inflict harm on others.

 

Guns do not go off to kill people on their own 

Trucks do not drive and run over people on their own 

Axes do not inflict injuries to others on their own

 

All of these require the actions of a person for them to cause harm towards others.

 

[chon derry]

this is the first wtf  today , mind you i haven't turned cnn on yet!

[Lateralus91]

25 minutes ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

What about the situation in Nice, France where a truck driven by an individual was used to kill 80+ people? 

 

The point is, even if we limit guns, people who seek to harm others will find other means to inflict harm and/or kill people. 

 

In the absence of guns, we can have a truck, or even a bomb can be used to have a mass killing.

 

The heart of the matter is the character of the individual, not the means that the same individual used to inflict harm on others.

 

Guns do not go off to kill people on their own 

Trucks do not drive and run over people on their own 

Axes do not inflict injuries to others on their own

 

All of these require the actions of a person for them to cause harm towards others.

 

I don't think that's the point. In most cases guns do make it easier to kill people in comparison to knives, axes, whatever. This was one of those cases. The problem I see with guns is that they serve the sole purpose of killing or hurting. That does not apply to axes, knives or vehicles. Granted, there are types of axes and knives who may be designed to do exactly that. But afaik they too are harder to acquire than regular kitchen knives here in Germany.

As long as you have such loose gun safety and can purchase firearms about anywhere you want, you are bound to have more deaths than countries which have stricter laws. You can check about any statistic in the world for that.

 

I get the American sentiment of screaming freedom. But most adversaries of gun control claim the feeling of safety for their main reason to carry a gun. As I mentioned before it is evident that the less guns are floating around in a country, the less deaths through firearms occur.

 

So is it not worth giving up on an illusion of safety to ensure less casualties through firearms?

[Red Light Racicot]

If you feel contempt for religion in general, then you most certainly do not owe them the dignity of equal treatment.

 

There isn't actually anything wrong with your saying that Islam is more violent then Christianity at the moment when it is obviously the case.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? The question is hard to answer. A tally at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible counts 842 violent or cruel passages in the Bible as compared to 333 in the Quran. That said, the Bible is a much thicker tome, and even though the New Testament endorses and adds to the violence in the Old, when percentages are compared, the Quran comes out ahead. In addition, the kinds of cruelty and violence vary as do the perpetrator and victim and the extent to which any verse can be interpreted as divine sanction for the behavior in question. Either way, this short test offers an illustrative sample from each sacred text.

 

Bible and Quran believers who recognize verses in this list will no doubt protest that they have been taken out of context, as indeed they have. I think the appropriate response to such a complaint is a question: What context, exactly, would make these verses uplifting, inspiring or worthy of praise? In what context are passages like these some of the most important and holy guidance that the creator of the universe might think to impart to humankind? In what context is a book that contains these passages and many, many more like them the apogee of divine goodness and timeless wisdom?

Members of each Abrahamic tradition are quick to point out the rational and moral flaws in the others. I wonder sometimes, what this world might be like if they were as quick to examine the flaws in their own.

 

 

 

 While you are getting rid of the Koran, take the bible away at the same time. Maybe even look at getting rid of all the holy texts after a review for "hate speech".

 

Nothing against the point you are trying to make but this post derails it's self and even admits it.  If someone has to ask why context matters it shows their own bias, any middle ground person can understand that context gives a sentence structure and meaning. Only defend it's stance by to go on a little rant personal opinion and no substance. 

 

 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Nothing against the point you are trying to make but this post derails it's self and even admits it.  If someone has to ask why context matters it shows their own bias, any middle ground person can understand that context gives a sentence structure and meaning. Only defend it's stance by to go on a little rant personal opinion and no substance.

 

 

I think the post I quoted is clearer than your reply.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

38 minutes ago, gurn said:

I think the post I quoted is clearer than your reply.

Sorry, I'll try explain it better.

My reply isn't about whether the koran of bible is worse, but towards the method the quote used. 

 

The quote admits its major flaw by taking verses and using them out of context.  it then tries to justify why it's acceptable to take verses out of context by using some very poor logic in a rant type form which doesn't help its case.  It lost all it credibility to get it's point across.

 

 

Imagine Wayne Greztky talking to Vladimir Putin about the Russian born players (the context)

 

Greztky “Ovechkin is the all-time best” (the quote)

 

One could take this quote out of context into thinking the Wayne thinks the Alex is the best all-time hockey player in the world.  Without the context, the statement has a completely different meaning.  Therefor it would be wrong for someone to use this quote out of context to prove their point (like the website you quoted did).  There is no acceptable way one can justify taking this quote of context.  As soon as it’s taken out of context it becomes flawed and loses its credibility. 

[Aladeen]

3 hours ago, The Sedge said:

Thank you, I was waiting for someone to post something like this.  All of these religious texts are barbaric, from a barbaric time in history.  Religious extremism is a problem regardless of which religion they are using to justify their actions.  

No doubt how about people stop taking a single book and thinking it has all the answers to everything and that everything in it is speaking directly to them?

 

The egos of these fanatics is amazing. As if a super-being actually existed that created everything in this massive universe would give a flying frack what these lunatics did or didn't do, what or who they believe in. And yet somehow God speaks to them? Give me a break, if there was a God and he spoke to people he definitely wouldn't want to be talking to these nut jobs.

 

I'm sure conversations with the likes of Hawkings or Guth would be much more interesting to an all knowing being that created everything. And yet to them he remains silent. 

[Cowardrobertford]

4 hours ago, gurn said:

http://www.christianitydisproved.com/bible/violent-bible-verses.html

 

http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran

 

"

1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

4. Fight them until there is no more [disbelief or worshipping of other gods] and worship is for God alone.

5. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6. Whoso fighteth in the way of God, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

7. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

8. [God’s messenger]... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The [holy man] replied, "They [women and children] are from them [unbelievers]."

9. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

10. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

11. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.

12. The punishment of those who wage war against God and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

13. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

14. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

15. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

16. I shall terrorize the [heathens]. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose God and his apostle.

17. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

18. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

19. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

20. And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

21. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

22. The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, "O [believer]! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

23. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.

24. God’s Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but God."

25. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.

26. God said, "A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. [Prophet], you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But God desires killing them to manifest the religion."

27. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].

28. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) [your religion]; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept [the faith], demand from them [a tax]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek God's help and fight them.

29. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.

30. Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us.

Is the Quran more violent than the Bible? The question is hard to answer. A tally at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible counts 842 violent or cruel passages in the Bible as compared to 333 in the Quran. That said, the Bible is a much thicker tome, and even though the New Testament endorses and adds to the violence in the Old, when percentages are compared, the Quran comes out ahead. In addition, the kinds of cruelty and violence vary as do the perpetrator and victim and the extent to which any verse can be interpreted as divine sanction for the behavior in question. Either way, this short test offers an illustrative sample from each sacred text.

Bible and Quran believers who recognize verses in this list will no doubt protest that they have been taken out of context, as indeed they have. I think the appropriate response to such a complaint is a question: What context, exactly, would make these verses uplifting, inspiring or worthy of praise? In what context are passages like these some of the most important and holy guidance that the creator of the universe might think to impart to humankind? In what context is a book that contains these passages and many, many more like them the apogee of divine goodness and timeless wisdom?

Members of each Abrahamic tradition are quick to point out the rational and moral flaws in the others. I wonder sometimes, what this world might be like if they were as quick to examine the flaws in their own.

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Key: Odd numbered quotes are from the Bible, even numbers from the Quran or Hadith. 1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Bukhari 11:626; 3. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 4. Quran 2:193; 5. Matthew 10:34-35; 6. Quran 4:74; 7.Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 8. Bukhari 52:256; 9. Ezekiel 9:5 NLT; 10. Quran 8:12; 11. Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. Quran5:33; 13. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 14. Quran 8:67; 15. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 16. Quran 8:12; 17. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 18. Quran 9:5; 19. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 20. Quran 17:16; 21. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 22.Bukhari 52:177; 23. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 24. Bukhari 8:387; 25. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 26. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484; 27. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 28. Muslim 19:4294; 29. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; 30. Tabari 9:69"

 

 

 

 While you are getting rid of the Koran, take the bible away at the same time. Maybe even look at getting rid of all the holy texts after a review for "hate speech"

Much of the quotes we're from the old testament and yes as I said death is the end product of sin. The reason Christians don't practice them is because Jesus came and took all the sins so no one should suffer from them, which is the new covenant, there is nothing you can do to go to heaven but believe in Jesus Christ, and now there's only two commandments which every Christian must follow.

 

The quote from Matthew was true, everyone who believes in Jesus will be hated by the world, even by his family.

[Canuck_Fan_52]

4 hours ago, Lateralus91 said:

I don't think that's the point. In most cases guns do make it easier to kill people in comparison to knives, axes, whatever. This was one of those cases. The problem I see with guns is that they serve the sole purpose of killing or hurting. That does not apply to axes, knives or vehicles. Granted, there are types of axes and knives who may be designed to do exactly that. But afaik they too are harder to acquire than regular kitchen knives here in Germany.

As long as you have such loose gun safety and can purchase firearms about anywhere you want, you are bound to have more deaths than countries which have stricter laws. You can check about any statistic in the world for that.

 

I get the American sentiment of screaming freedom. But most adversaries of gun control claim the feeling of safety for their main reason to carry a gun. As I mentioned before it is evident that the less guns are floating around in a country, the less deaths through firearms occur.

 

So is it not worth giving up on an illusion of safety to ensure less casualties through firearms?

Thanks for your feedback Lateralus91

 

I don't think that's the point. In most cases guns do make it easier to kill people in comparison to knives, axes, whatever. This was one of those cases. The problem I see with guns is that they serve the sole purpose of killing or hurting. That does not apply to axes, knives or vehicles.

 

A bomb going off does kill easily as well.  All it takes is for someone to make one and put it in a place where lots of people congregate and when it goes off many people die. 

Are you concerned about people's lives or does it become a concern when a gun is involved in ending the person's life?  Axe/knives/bombs or whatever also kill, but why emphasize the gun when a persons life is tragically taken?  Why not call a ban for knives even if one person dies from a knife attack? 

 

The problem I see with guns is that they serve the sole purpose of killing or hurting.

I assume your second word meant hunting? 

Again, the purpose behind the gun is the motive of the individual and not the gun itself.  As I said in my post before, guns do not go off by themselves. 

 

Granted, there are types of axes and knives who may be designed to do exactly that. But afaik they too are harder to acquire than regular kitchen knives here in Germany.

 

Regular kitchen knives can kill too if aimed at the right spot on the body. 

 

I get the American sentiment of screaming freedom. But most adversaries of gun control claim the feeling of safety for their main reason to carry a gun. As I mentioned before it is evident that the less guns are floating around in a country, the less deaths through firearms occur.

 

So is it not worth giving up on an illusion of safety to ensure less casualties through firearms?

 

If you are proposing a LAW that decrees that all guns be taken from citizens of the USA?  Let me ask you, would LAW breakers follow that law?  Don't the leaders of a country have bodyguards with guns for their own safety?  Don't movie stars/famous people have armed bodyguards for their own safety?  Why deprive ordinary citizens from having an chance to defend themselves with a gun if their life is in danger?  Put it another way.  When an armed burglar does break into a home with the intention to harm you or your family , would you be ready with a gun nearby to take out the burglar before you die or call someone who has a gun and pray they get there on time?

 

[Jimayo]

5 hours ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

The point is, even if we limit guns, people who seek to harm others will find other means to inflict harm and/or kill people.

 

He said about a story in which a guy found an alternative and it was far less effective.

[Jimayo]

23 minutes ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

A bomb going off does kill easily as well.  All it takes is for someone to make one and put it in a place where lots of people congregate and when it goes off many people die.

 

Bombs are illegal, and law enforcement tracks the ingredients.  It's not as easy as going to a gun show and buying a gun but nice false equivalency.  Ludicrous comparisons and faulty logic are all you gun nuts have.

 

Are you concerned about people's lives or does it become a concern when a gun is involved in ending the person's life?  Axe/knives/bombs or whatever also kill, but why emphasize the gun when a persons life is tragically taken?  Why not call a ban for knives even if one person dies from a knife attack?

 

Strawman bull$&!#.  The problem, as one has indicated, is the ease of killing with a gun and the lack of any other purpose for a gun.  Guns are to kill, trucks, knives, and axes all are primarily used for other purposes.

 

Regular kitchen knives can kill too if aimed at the right spot on the body.

 

But you can't kill nearly as many nearly as quickly, and frankly, your average citizen doesn't have that kind of training to be as effective as they can be.

 

Why deprive ordinary citizens from having an chance to defend themselves with a gun if their life is in danger?  Put it another way.  When an armed burglar does break into a home with the intention to harm you or your family , would you be ready with a gun nearby to take out the burglar before you die or call someone who has a gun and pray they get there on time?

 

Because the stats are clear that you are 9 times more likely to injure or kill an innocent than to use that gun to successfully protect yourself.  But don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy land.

 

Judging by your post reality, logic and facts seem to be as far from your thought processes as possible.

[CBH1926]

Attacker appears to have been upset over death of his friend in Afghanistan.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36837109