smithers joe Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 i would have bo and baert help develop boeser. sutter, granlund and ericksson as our defensively responsible line i would charge the sedins to help develop goldobin if dahlen and virtanen can crack the line up, i would put someone with them like dorsett to ride shot gun for them and help them be effective. i'ld throw the lines out the window and let their competitive nature determine which lines get the most ice time. there isn't a lot of toughness there and maybe not enough speed... the speed i want to see next year, comes from moving the puck faster. toughness comes from finishing checks and not just stick checking. that is just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The only thing that matters next season is developing any young talent on the roster. Green is a good coach for that. Good news is our vets (Sedins) and young leader (Horvat) are "solid character" guys so while the team will be terrible, youngsters should have a good/responsible environment to learn what it takes to be a pro. I hope a couple of heavy forwards are signed to offset the loss of Tryamkin. There's no toughness on this team right now other than Gudbranson. I hope Virtanen somehow improves over the summer and makes the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Think we've all decided the twins NEED to be put on the blueline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I have a similar line of thinking, Joe. I think the Sedins can best be paired with either Granlund or Goldobin, depending on who works best with them. The other one should fit well on a Sutter and Eriksson line. The fourth line is a pretty big crap shoot for me this year. I also agree on the lines idea. It seems that no one, not even our own players know which line is the first, second, or third line. Let them sort it out for themselves and earn their own ice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 i exchange dahlen and granlund. the only line then that is not good defensively is the sedin line. they may have to change their game a little to be defensively aware while propping up goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, smithers joe said: i would have bo and baert help develop boeser. sutter, granlund and ericksson as our defensively responsible line i would charge the sedins to help develop goldobin if dahlen and virtanen can crack the line up, i would put someone with them like dorsett to ride shot gun for them and help them be effective. i'ld throw the lines out the window and let their competitive nature determine which lines get the most ice time. there isn't a lot of toughness there and maybe not enough speed... the speed i want to see next year, comes from moving the puck faster. toughness comes from finishing checks and not just stick checking. that is just my opinion. are you sure your not? You look just like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: are you sure your not? You look just like him. except we both went to different school together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy05 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 There is so so so much more to coaching than personnel and lineup questions, there is defensive positioning (fronting vs net side vs something else), breakout plans, forecheck arrangements (1-2-2, 2-1-2, trap)... not to mention ability to motivate and teach. But I get it- that is the most visible feature to fans. If I was him and would start with a plan like yours, sure, but then be certain to adapt everything to the personnel at hand. Travis Green is known as a tactician so he should be good at this. The main thing, and what I believe burned WIllie, is not to become afraid and reticent to change. If something isn't working then mix it up. Sometimes just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Who would have though to put Burrows with the Sedins until it worked and worked so well... and once you find something that works analyze the bejeezus out of it to figure out why because you know every other coach is deconstructing it as well to figure out how to stop you. For me, personally, everything revolves around the center. Look at our amazing 2011 team down the middle- Sedin, Kesler, Malhotra, Lapierre. Look at the Red Wing, Blackhawks, Kings and Penguins dynasties. 2009 Penguins were Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Talbot 2010 Hawks were Toews, Sharp, Bolland, Madden 2012 Kings were Kopitar, Carter, Stoll, Richards 2013 Hawks were Toews, Handzus, Shaw, Bolland All these lines have something very important: just by looking at the centerman you have an idea what that lines job was and they pretty much are all: 1- Scoring (80/20 O/D) 2- Scoring/Checking (60/40) 3- Pure Checking (40/60) 4- Smothering/Energy/Don't get destroyed (20/80) You will also notice that these are some of the very best players in the game at what they do and in their role. You don't just need star power up top but the Madden's and Malhotra's were the best at what they did... speaking of which- all teams seemed to have at least one faceoff specialist. I think the Canucks are possibly on their way with Horvat, Gaudette and Gaunce looking like they can handle 2 through 4 (and maybe Horvat at 1) but a true #1 center would put us on the right path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I just want a system that isn't universally undefinable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckYa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The lines may look a lot different depending on who we get. Spread the vets & young up. I do not want to see 3 vets playing together next year & I really ain't interested in seeing the Sedins playing the whole season together. This team is in need of the Sedins to be valuable on separate lines as playing together for development at this point is useless. Having them 2 together on line #2 would be contradicting the youth plan here as they would be eating up the big minutes again & taking opportunities from the youth. Playing them together on line #3 just doesn't seem to fit their respected roles & style of play or their strong points. (speed, finishing checks, defensive hockey is actually what they lack in). They could still really help in my mind, but it has to be playing with others as well. I would like to see something along these lines: (not necessarily Peluso but we are in need of some kind of muscle in the depth chart especially with all the kids & Dorsett's injury issues. LaBate helps but still not enough. Really need someone that can throw the mitts if needed & play in the top 9 when needed. Baertschi Horvat Eriksson D.Sedin Patrick? Boeser Goldoblin H.Sedin Granlund Dorsett Sutter LaBate Peluso? Virtanen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 TG has a lot of combinations available if the Sedin's are willing to be split up 5 on 5. I've texted him my recommendation pre-draft: Loui-Bo-Boeser Granlund-Henrik-Goldobin Danny-Sutter-Virtanen Dorsett-Free agent gritty 4C-Boucher Gaunce Edler-Stecher FA Alzner-Tanev Juolevi-Guddy Pedan yes I've traded Baer and Sbisa for picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: TG has a lot of combinations available if the Sedin's are willing to be split up 5 on 5. I've texted him my recommendation pre-draft: Loui-Bo-Boeser Granlund-Henrik-Goldobin Danny-Sutter-Virtanen Dorsett-Free agent gritty 4C-Boucher Gaunce Edler-Stecher FA Alzner-Tanev Juolevi-Guddy Pedan yes I've traded Baer and Sbisa for picks... Nice, lineup. I would switch Virt with Loui if Virt can start playing like we all expected him too. Like others, I think Virt would be a good LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Leave the kids in other leagues for one more year and let this be a true rebuild year. Trade the old, but leave some vets, to break in the new, in 2018/19. We don't have the deepest prospect pool so making sure our kids develop is ideal while acquiring others. Im glad Try is going back to Russia as long as he plans on coming back haha. Let this be one really bad year and then we'll see a major change. Im hoping we let players try to prove they belong in the NHL and trade others. Trading and replacing via UFA is good too. This Summer trade Sutter and Edler (or hutton, sbisa, tanev) Start season with Baer-Bo-Boucher Sedins-Granlund Rodin-UFA/Shore-Eriksson Dorsett-Chaput-Crammer_________change in and out other teams waived players Sbisa-Tanev Hutton-Stetcher Pedan-Gudbranson-Biega Markstrom Bachman/UFA/CapdumpNiemi Play out the year, trade vets at deadline and hope for better the year after. I personally can't see the Sedins being resigned. Therefore the year after next I could see Goldy-Bo-Boeser Eriksson-2017pick-Granlund Dahlen-UFA/Shore/Gaudette-Virtanen Labate-Chaput-Crammer Sbisa/Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin/Juolevi-Stetcher Juolevi-Subban/2018pick/prospect-Pedan Markstrom Demko Major youth movement in a couple years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 9 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: TG has a lot of combinations available if the Sedin's are willing to be split up 5 on 5. I've texted him my recommendation pre-draft: Loui-Bo-Boeser Granlund-Henrik-Goldobin Danny-Sutter-Virtanen Dorsett-Free agent gritty 4C-Boucher Gaunce Edler-Stecher FA Alzner-Tanev Juolevi-Guddy Pedan yes I've traded Baer and Sbisa for picks... So you are getting rid of the player Green thinks so highly of that he advised the Canucks to trade for him. Baer was Green's go-to player in Portland but also in Utica. He's repeated several times how much he believes in Baer. Would the Canucks trade him before Green gets to work with him at the NHL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Kane Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 39 minutes ago, mll said: So you are getting rid of the player Green thinks so highly of that he advised the Canucks to trade for him. Baer was Green's go-to player in Portland but also in Utica. He's repeated several times how much he believes in Baer. Would the Canucks trade him before Green gets to work with him at the NHL level. Because S'all Good Man doesn't put any thought or logic into his posts. Baer is staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I have a feeling Bo and Baer are gonna be absolute beasts this coming season. We would all love to see Boeser jump in on that glory with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, mll said: So you are getting rid of the player Green thinks so highly of that he advised the Canucks to trade for him. Baer was Green's go-to player in Portland but also in Utica. He's repeated several times how much he believes in Baer. Would the Canucks trade him before Green gets to work with him at the NHL level. I would for a high enough pick yes. With a potentially crowded roster and looking at him vs. Goldy, Virtanen and Granlund, to me he's the odd one out. And I'm a fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Think we've all decided the twins NEED to be put on the blueline. Lol what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I know everyone will disagree with this and I'll be the only one who thinks its a good idea, but... I'd like to see the Sedins play with Horvat. I think it would be symbiotic for a year...the "centre" development that Bo would miss out on for the year would easily be outmatched by the extra confidence he'd gain by playing on the wing of the Twins (who would bounce back by having a super legitimate linemate). I think that line would be so effective that the trickle down through the rest of the lines would hardly be noticed. Boeser, Granlund, Eriksson could be an excellent second line. Baertschi, Sutter, Hischier/Vilardi/Mittlestadt/Virtanen/Goldobin/Gaunce could work fine on the third. I know it's not the accepted wisdom, but I think it would work better than another year of three mediocre, low-scoring lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 3 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: Lol what? Ohh, it was some wacky post about a wk or two back, & it hit CDC like a slime-tsunami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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