Kinder Morgan Pipeline Talk

[chon derry]

53 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

Oh, you think it's a joke eh?...lol  Two hundred nose rings are costing Alberta  and Canada 15 billion a year at a minimum and it's more likely 10x that amount. It's over.

so we should all be worried about the welfare of all the young guys in the oil patch ,so they can get a new f-250 with a lift kit every year? , maybe a 5th wheeler to live in . and we forego our coast for an army of transient oil workers . if alberta and Canada can wrench 15 billion or more likely 10X that amount ,then whats the holdup with some bond $ in the event of all the down played spills that no Albertan likes to talk about? ya I think I'm gunna buy a ring for my nose .

[johngould21]

45 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

Dream on. Go chop down another tree, strip mine another mountain, dam another river or flush another turd in the ocean. No one cares about BCs horrendous environmental standards because they have two bit industry. Zero dollars to be made protesting. 

Don’t you farmers spread $&!# on your fields, to grow your crops, lol!

[mightycpc]

46 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Ya that attitude is 90% of the problem.

 

If you're to dense to see that iy is not our problem.

 

Quit the divisive nonsense and maybe this gets built faster.   But pushing BC to do something it is not sure it wants is a surefire way to end up where we are now 

What attitude?  BC can't preach environment to Alberta. Do you seriously not understand that? Do you think Alberta looks like one of Al Gore's videos??

 

Ah yes.... it's not our problem.  BC will begin to share the pain. Maybe you wont be so glib then.

 

Oil consumption is going through the roof. Prosperity awaits. Jurisdictions are scrambling to take advantage. Kinder and the World do not need us, we need them. Oil companies do not need the hassle of dealing with nitwits. There are plenty of options out there. If we blow it again......smh. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by mightycpc

[chon derry]

9 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

Don’t you farmers spread $&!# on your fields, to grow your crops, lol!

theres a reduction plant here in Rupert all the salmon guts and heads(fish meal) ......a ban on fish meal for the wine thingy 

 

4 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

What attitude?  BC can't preach environment to Alberta. Do you seriously not understand that? Do you think Alberta looks like one of Al Gore's videos??

 

Ah yes.... it's not our problem.  BC will begin to share the pain. Maybe you wont be so glib then.

 

Oil consumption is going through the roof. Prosperity awaits. Jurisdictions are scrambling to take advantage. Kinder and the World does not need us, we need them. Oil companies do not need the hassle of dealing with nitwits. There are plenty of options out there. If we blow it again......smh. 

if that's the case why is knothead trying to impose this filthy crap on bc? its not about the money, how can it ?   8% do you seriously not understand that?  nope its not about the money. smh

[mightycpc]

Just now, chon derry said:

theres a reduction plant here in Rupert all the salmon guts and heads(fish meal) ......a ban on fish meal for the wine thingy 

 

if that's the case why is knothead trying to impose this filthy crap on bc? its not about the money, how can it ?   8% do you seriously not understand that?  nope its not about the money. smh

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

[-DLC-]

5 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read.

 

 

[Gurn]

9 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

you really are a special poster, aren't you?

Edited April 9, 2018 by gurn

[PhillipBlunt]

4 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

[trek]

9 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

lol sorry, even I can't agree with you on that one 

[mightycpc]

10 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read.

 

 

Federal jurisdiction.  Canada is her country.  Why is this so funny. Interesting. 

 

You all feel BC is in charge.....this will be interesting.

Edited April 9, 2018 by mightycpc

[chon derry]

10 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

she wants to be  a stake holder ,cause government run for profit business always works out . but 'notleys country' 

[mightycpc]

Just now, chon derry said:

she wants to be  a stake holder ,cause government run for profit business always works out . but 'notleys country' 

Oh, well...it's my country too....and yours.

[chon derry]

8 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

Oh, well...it's my country too....and yours.

after all the boycott crap, now the threat of turning the gas off , how can you or knothead possibly think that this pipeline has an icecubes chance in he!! because NOW it really doesn't!!!!!! and the lack of proper communication with her lowball tactics i'll be happy to not see any of it strictly on that basis.  

Edited April 9, 2018 by chon derry

[mightycpc]

15 minutes ago, chon derry said:

after all the boycott crap, now the threat of turning the gas off , how can you or knothead possibly think that this pipeline has an icecubes chance in he!! because NOW it really doesn't!!!!!!

No problem. Turning off the gas is just the beginning I would think. Not listening to the news though. You cant steal 15 billion and think war will not break out. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by mightycpc

[Heretic]

A good read for anyone here to get a better perspective:

 

"I am a mum and a grandma and I have lived in the north all my life. I am also the Mayor of Fort St. John, BC – right smack in the middle of one of the world’s largest supplies of oil and gas." 

The following is the text of an article distributed in November 2016 by Lori Ackerman, the mayor of the city of Fort St. John and a member of the Resource Works Society's Advisory Council. It is reprinted here with permission.

“USA stops importing Canadian oil and gas”

Dear Canadian Citizens,

That is not a current headline but it could be. What would happen to our economy if it was?

I would like to talk to you about energy, pipelines and our natural resources. I am a mum and a grandma and I have lived in the north all my life. I am also the Mayor of Fort St. John, BC – right smack in the middle of one of the world’s largest supplies of oil and gas. I live in a region surrounded by pipelines, wells, hydraulic fracturing (fracking) sites and canola and wheat fields. I have eaten the food we grow here and I drink our water. I understand what it takes to extract our natural resources and what it takes to protect our environment. I live it.

I don’t want to try to convince you of anything but I would like to share with you what I know to be true. I strongly encourage you to do some of your own research. Learn more than what you read in a tweet or a Facebook post. I have added some links to reliable resources below for you.

Where does the petroleum we all use every day come from? Canada has some of the largest petroleum resources in the world and yet Canada imports 634,000 barrels of crude oil from foreign countries every single day. That is $26 BILLION of oil imports every year that we could have supplied to ourselves. That product arrives in tankers and is transported to where it needs to go by truck and train right through our communities. And yet we don’t want our own product to flow in pipelines to our communities for our own use or to our ports so we can export it? That just makes no sense at all to me.

So let’s talk about pipelines. I know pipelines are a safe, cost-efficient means of oil and natural gas transportation and emit fewer greenhouse gases than alternate transportation methods. Canada has 830,000 kilometers of pipelines. Three million barrels of crude oil is transported safely every single day. If we took that oil out of the pipelines, we would need 4,200 rail cars to move it. How many of those cars would you like rolling through your community? Between 2002 and 2015, 99.9995% of liquid was transported through our pipelines SAFELY. You probably spill more when you fill up at the gas station.

I understand you don’t want tankers floating down our coasts. But did you know the USA has been shipping up to 600,000 barrels a day of crude from Alaska to the Puget Sound through the Salish Sea for the last 20 years? Did you know that B.C. has a Tanker Exclusion Zone that has been respected for years? That zone stipulates that full tankers must travel on the west side of the zone but those that are not transporting goods can stay inside the protective zone. Other than one natural gas pipeline, Vancouver Island receives all of their petroleum by barge every day. I don’t remember ever hearing anyone complaining about that. According to Transport Canada over 197,000 vessels arrived or departed from west coast ports in 2015 - 1487 of them were tankers. 400,000 barrels of crude oil is safely transported off the B.C. coast every single day.  Sooo…. I think we are ok there.

Emissions? 80% of the emissions associated with fossil fuels are generated in their combustion – not their extraction and transportation. If you want to do something about our reliance on fossil fuels then address the demand for them not the transportation of them. Change starts with consumers not industry. A large part of the demand for fossil fuels in B.C. is transportation. 33% of our fossil fuels are used to operate cars, trucks, planes, trains and ferries. If we switched all of that over to electricity we would need not just one BC Hydro Site C dam but 15 of them. Which communities do you want to flood to provide the energy for your electric cars? Remember I live 7 km from BC Hydro’s Site C dam so I have a pretty good understanding of them.

I love this quote from Blair King an Environmental Scientist and Writer: “We live in a world where all the work we do to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions in B.C. can be undone with the flick of a pen in China or India. No matter what we do, those developing countries are going to get electrical power to their populations -- if not with LNG, then with coal; and if not with B.C. LNG, then with lower-intensity (read: dirtier) LNG from one of our competitors. In both cases the end result is higher global GHG emissions than if B.C. LNG was used.” He is telling us to look outside our province and see the impact we can have on GHG on our planet. Our LNG is cleaner than the stuff already on the market because our regulations are tougher and we emit far less GHG in our production than in other countries. Our natural gas industry is committed to continuous improvement. 

I understand that you are concerned about safety. I am too. In Canada we have some of the strictest safety requirements in the world. Canada’s oil and gas producers are continuously improving the safety of their operations and transportation of their products. Emergency Response Plans are customized for each community, covering key areas such as public safety, protection of community infrastructure, and a clear plan of action with local emergency responders. And we have the National Energy Board to oversee large multijurisdictional projects.

The Oil and Gas Commission is our provincial agency responsible for regulating oil and gas activities in British Columbia, including exploration, development, pipeline transportation and reclamation. Core responsibilities include reviewing and assessing applications for proposed industry activities, engaging with First Nations, cooperating with partner agencies, and ensuring industry complies with provincial legislation and all regulatory requirements. International delegations come to B.C., as world leaders, to learn how we have partnered environmental protection with resource extraction. I think the Oil and Gas Commission does a good job of protecting the interests of citizens.

Many of you have concerns about the rights of our Indigenous Peoples. I will not speak for them but I will provide you with a quote from Stephen Buffalo, president and CEO of the Indian Resource Council: “I think industry is now willing to be a partner (with First Nations). They want to come with the First Nations together. We are depending on these pipelines for the success of the Canadian economy.” Here is the link to the full article: http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/pro-oil-first-nations-seek-end-to-pipeline-gridlock?__lsa=f499-1f26

So let’s talk about the economy. Oil sands development is expected to contribute over $4 trillion dollars to the Canadian economy over the next 20 years. $405 billion could be collected in personal, corporate and indirect taxes just from western Canada natural gas production in the next 20 years. This is money for health care, education and infrastructure. The resource sector is the foundational stone upon which the Canadian economy was built, and it is as important today as ever.

440,000 Canadians are employed because of the oil and gas sector. This means those workers contribute to our economy by renting or buying homes, buying groceries, enjoying a quality life and shopping their local businesses.

Let’s lead the world in resource extraction, continuous improvements and long term planning.

Let’s be leaders in reliable and renewable energy development.

Let’s support Canadian industry and stop buying foreign oil.

Let’s grow our economy by meeting our domestic needs and exporting our abundant resources.

Let’s live well now and in the future.

Thank you for taking the time to be an informed citizen.

Sincerely,

Lori Ackerman, Mayor of the City of Fort St. John.

 

http://www.resourceworks.com/mayors-letter

 

 

[chon derry]

6 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

No problem. Turning off the gas is just the beginning I would think. Not listening to the news though. You cant steal 15 billion and not think war will break out. 

not a horgan supporter by any stretch , but what politician in their right mind would want to negotiate with the likes of her?  she hasn't endeared herself very well. 

[RWMc1]

The most despicable part of this is the idea that empress snotly is willing to invest money into the pipeline but not into the safety features that BCers want. Kinder Morgan has also refused to address this. They're the ones throwing the opportunity away by ignoring that side of things. A carte blanche by former BC liberals doesn't cut it. Addressing our concerns would be a huge step to fixing this. Penalties and rhetoric will only entrench people further.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, mightycpc said:

Dream on. Go chop down another tree, strip mine another mountain, dam another river or flush another turd in the ocean. No one cares about BCs horrendous environmental standards because they have two bit industry. Zero dollars to be made protesting. 

trees are renewable. hydroelectricity is green. poop is biodegradable. Sure mining has its downside but its not going to kill the coast. 

 

 

[JM_]

17 minutes ago, chon derry said:

after all the boycott crap, now the threat of turning the gas off , how can you or knothead possibly think that this pipeline has an icecubes chance in he!! because NOW it really doesn't!!!!!! and the lack of proper communication with her lowball tactics i'll be happy to not see any of it strictly on that basis.  

We'll just start importing it from Washington State where they have a surplus. 

[JM_]

42 minutes ago, mightycpc said:

It's Notley's country and she is free to use its ports and highways and oceans. They do not belong to you.

if it belongs to her it belongs to us. 

 

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