Warhippy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: That's shockingly balanced. NDP doing better than I feared, that's for sure. Can't say I agree with everything Horgan has to say but definately strikes me as the kind I could go for a beer with. Remember what i said during the election? Horgan would roll over on resource promises and allow them to happen. Burnaby expansion promised not to allow it. Instead is "letting the courts decide" while simply asking for studies in to dilbit clean up and mitigation as well as that world class response the feds talked about. He's getting it Would stop site C. Unless it was too expensive which at that point in time during development it was. Would have been a half billion dollar walk away. No way was he going to accept that Would stop LNG. But at no point in time would that happen with Site C proceeding. He just needed to ensure Weaver had his cake as well which he now does. he is literally giving both sides what they want. Plus some room to gripe about it. It's hard to argue that he isn't surprising both sides while ensuring smart resource development is occurring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Actually as per the interview. Horgan said Weaver was not happy and that it was ok to be unhappy. But Horgan is allowing Weaver to take the reigns for climate change and industry standards across multiple other industries as a trade off for this. Weaver is getting what he wants in broad areas while Horgan is allowing important areas to happen. That sounds far too functional and rational for BC politics....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gnarcore said: That sounds far too functional and rational for BC politics....... Watched the interview, wasn't actually terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 The full breakdown of todays announcement. Hard to not actually be impressed that this is coming from the NDP http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/john-horgan-offers-tax-break-incentives-to-40b-kitimat-lng-project-1.4588079 B.C. Premier John Horgan says the province is willing to offer a break on carbon tax as well as an exemption on provincial sales tax related to construction costs at a $40-billion liquefied natural gas export terminal under consideration for the northern community of Kitimat, B.C. The NDP leader laid out the incentives as part of what he said was a clear framework for the approval of any LNG projects under his government's tenure. Read: Natural Gas Development announcement technical briefing notes They include a fair return for the public, job creation, partnership with First Nations and a guarantee to protect the environment. "I don't believe at all for a minute that this is going to be easy," Horgan told a news conference in Victoria. "This is going to be very, very difficult, but we're committed to making sure it works." Horgan rejected a suggestion that his government was offering the same kind of incentives to LNG projects for which they criticized the previous Liberal administration. Rendering of the proposed project by LNG Canada near Kitimat. (LNG Canada/Flickr) Those sweeteners included a promise to compensate a major LNG project that was slated for Prince Rupert for any tax raises over a 25-year period after the plant starts shipping. A consortium led by Malaysian energy giant Petronas cancelled the project last summer. Final decision looming A final investment decision is now looming for the LNG Canada Kitimat project backed by Royal Dutch Shell in partnership with Petrochina, KOGAS and Mitsubishi Corp. Horgan said he wanted to be transparent on what the ground rules would be ahead of any deal. Hope endures for liquefied natural gas industry on West Coast as world demand continues Cancelled $36B LNG project was 'wake-up call' to industry, says energy exec "I'm standing before you today and speaking directly to the people of British Columbia and saying there may well be a final investment decision on an LNG facility in northern British Columbia, and should that happen, we will put in place a framework that will allow them to be competitive," he said. 'We may get one' "[The Liberals] got zero. We may get one. I believe there'll be a benefit to British Columbians." Horgan acknowledged that Green Leader Andrew Weaver does not agree with all the elements of the NDP's framework. Weaver has threatened to bring Horgan's minority government down over its pursuit of LNG projects, but the premier said the two men had spoken at length about the plans. He left it to Weaver to state his position. B.C. Green Party leader Andrew Weaver says he is concerned the greenhouse gas emissions produced by the LNG Canada project proposed for Kitimat will make it difficult for the province to meet its climate change targets. (Mike McArthur/CBC) "Andrew's very passionate about combating climate change. It's his reason for being in this legislature and he makes no apologies for that, nor should he," he said. "What he has done is he's agreed to work with us and other sectors of the economy to make sure that our climate action challenge plan is robust, realistic and can meet the challenges we all face to meet those objectives over time." What about climate targets? At an afternoon news conference, Weaver said his party's confidence in the NDP government is "predicated on government developing a climate plan to meet our targets." Weaver said his party's target is a 40 per cent reduction in emissions by 2030. The NDP have said they share the same commitment, but Weaver pointed out that they have yet to produce a concrete plan for how to get there. But the Green leader suggested he wasn't ready to pull the plug on the so-called confidence and supply agreement he and Horgan signed in order to form government. "Our goal is not to throw down the government. Our goal is to get the government to deliver on the confidence and supply agreement," he said. "We're not making a threat ... show us the climate plan that will deliver this target, and we will continue to have confidence in government." Andrew Weaver ✔@AJWVictoriaBC Responding to the BC government’s new regulatory framework for LNG http://www.andrewweavermla.ca/2018/03/22/responding-lng-regulatory-regime/ … #bcpoli 1:02 PM - Mar 22, 2018 Responding to the BC government's new regulatory framework for LNG The BC government today outlined its proposed regulatory regime for LNG proponents such as LNG Canada. In particular, the BC government sent a letter on Monday to Mr. Andy Calitz, CEO of LNG Canada,... andrewweavermla.ca 12 29 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy A decision on the LNG Canada project is expected later this year. According to information provided by the province, the project would be the least greenhouse gas intensive large LNG facility in the world. The B.C. ministries of finance and energy have estimated that the project will generate $22 billion in direct government revenue over the next 40 years. The project is also expected to employ as many as 10,000 people by 2021. In response to Horgan's announcement, the LNG Canada consortium put out a statement praising the framework. "LNG Canada welcomes these measures, which will promote access for natural gas from BC to be exported as LNG to the fastest growing economies in the world," the statement read. "For BC and Canada to miss the next opportunity to supply LNG would be a significant loss to the province, the country and the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: The full breakdown of todays announcement. Hard to not actually be impressed that this is coming from the NDP http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/john-horgan-offers-tax-break-incentives-to-40b-kitimat-lng-project-1.4588079 B.C. Premier John Horgan says the province is willing to offer a break on carbon tax as well as an exemption on provincial sales tax related to construction costs at a $40-billion liquefied natural gas export terminal under consideration for the northern community of Kitimat, B.C. The NDP leader laid out the incentives as part of what he said was a clear framework for the approval of any LNG projects under his government's tenure. Read: Natural Gas Development announcement technical briefing notes They include a fair return for the public, job creation, partnership with First Nations and a guarantee to protect the environment. "I don't believe at all for a minute that this is going to be easy," Horgan told a news conference in Victoria. "This is going to be very, very difficult, but we're committed to making sure it works." Horgan rejected a suggestion that his government was offering the same kind of incentives to LNG projects for which they criticized the previous Liberal administration. Rendering of the proposed project by LNG Canada near Kitimat. (LNG Canada/Flickr) Those sweeteners included a promise to compensate a major LNG project that was slated for Prince Rupert for any tax raises over a 25-year period after the plant starts shipping. A consortium led by Malaysian energy giant Petronas cancelled the project last summer. Final decision looming A final investment decision is now looming for the LNG Canada Kitimat project backed by Royal Dutch Shell in partnership with Petrochina, KOGAS and Mitsubishi Corp. Horgan said he wanted to be transparent on what the ground rules would be ahead of any deal. Hope endures for liquefied natural gas industry on West Coast as world demand continues Cancelled $36B LNG project was 'wake-up call' to industry, says energy exec "I'm standing before you today and speaking directly to the people of British Columbia and saying there may well be a final investment decision on an LNG facility in northern British Columbia, and should that happen, we will put in place a framework that will allow them to be competitive," he said. 'We may get one' "[The Liberals] got zero. We may get one. I believe there'll be a benefit to British Columbians." Horgan acknowledged that Green Leader Andrew Weaver does not agree with all the elements of the NDP's framework. Weaver has threatened to bring Horgan's minority government down over its pursuit of LNG projects, but the premier said the two men had spoken at length about the plans. He left it to Weaver to state his position. B.C. Green Party leader Andrew Weaver says he is concerned the greenhouse gas emissions produced by the LNG Canada project proposed for Kitimat will make it difficult for the province to meet its climate change targets. (Mike McArthur/CBC) "Andrew's very passionate about combating climate change. It's his reason for being in this legislature and he makes no apologies for that, nor should he," he said. "What he has done is he's agreed to work with us and other sectors of the economy to make sure that our climate action challenge plan is robust, realistic and can meet the challenges we all face to meet those objectives over time." What about climate targets? At an afternoon news conference, Weaver said his party's confidence in the NDP government is "predicated on government developing a climate plan to meet our targets." Weaver said his party's target is a 40 per cent reduction in emissions by 2030. The NDP have said they share the same commitment, but Weaver pointed out that they have yet to produce a concrete plan for how to get there. But the Green leader suggested he wasn't ready to pull the plug on the so-called confidence and supply agreement he and Horgan signed in order to form government. "Our goal is not to throw down the government. Our goal is to get the government to deliver on the confidence and supply agreement," he said. "We're not making a threat ... show us the climate plan that will deliver this target, and we will continue to have confidence in government." Andrew Weaver ✔@AJWVictoriaBC Responding to the BC government’s new regulatory framework for LNG http://www.andrewweavermla.ca/2018/03/22/responding-lng-regulatory-regime/ … #bcpoli 1:02 PM - Mar 22, 2018 Responding to the BC government's new regulatory framework for LNG The BC government today outlined its proposed regulatory regime for LNG proponents such as LNG Canada. In particular, the BC government sent a letter on Monday to Mr. Andy Calitz, CEO of LNG Canada,... andrewweavermla.ca 12 29 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy A decision on the LNG Canada project is expected later this year. According to information provided by the province, the project would be the least greenhouse gas intensive large LNG facility in the world. The B.C. ministries of finance and energy have estimated that the project will generate $22 billion in direct government revenue over the next 40 years. The project is also expected to employ as many as 10,000 people by 2021. In response to Horgan's announcement, the LNG Canada consortium put out a statement praising the framework. "LNG Canada welcomes these measures, which will promote access for natural gas from BC to be exported as LNG to the fastest growing economies in the world," the statement read. "For BC and Canada to miss the next opportunity to supply LNG would be a significant loss to the province, the country and the globe. Well, if you are concerned about the climate, the billions this will pull in will build a lot of transit and allow for flexibility of other things. And besides, a lot of this gas is going to displace coal, which in the grand scheme of things, is a plus for the environment. AKA there's plenty of bones to throw to Weaver in the event a project gets green lit to win him over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Nobody wants to invest in bc when you cant even build anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 5:08 PM, Jimmy McGill said: Alberta can never be Norway because Norway was smart enough not to dip into its prosperity fund too early. And they tax the wazoo out of them while Alberta lets them go for almost nothing. I wouldn’t mind following Norway at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Violator said: Nobody wants to invest in bc when you cant even build anything. There's some truth to this. Petronas pulled out because of two things: The difficulty in getting environmental approval and current low price for LNG. I have a friend who used to work for one of the LNG companies, (I can't keep them all straight anymore) but now works for the DP World. His words were a bit more harsh. Something to the effect of "They don't want an LNG plant in BC". The gist being that the government makes the approval process so onerous and expensive, that it eventually drives the companies away. Still, I believe that the global price was the real killer. As Strome and a couple of others have pointed out, the US and Australia have made hay while we dragged our feet and we're now playing catch up. Unfortunately, companies are not going to invest billions unless there is a promise of some profit down the road. With the current glut of LNG on the market right now, there's no money to be made in starting up a new enterprise, at least, not at this stage. This is why Horgan's announcement has to be taken with a grain of salt. Certainly, it's a good gesture, but he also has to know that there isn't a lot of interest out there for taking him up on the offer at this point. The good news is, Northern BC has one thing that no-one else can offer: A naturally deep harbour, that's about a day closer to Asian markets than any other North American port. If and when the prices come back up again, we should be well positioned to take advantage, especially if the government is truly interested in making it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Mattrek said: And they tax the wazoo out of them while Alberta lets them go for almost nothing. I wouldn’t mind following Norway at all. I did see a good analysis of it way back, it couldn't be to the same level but there was a big missed opportunity. Its easy to say you want a fund like that (Clark must have said it about 1,000 times) but very hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ryan Strome Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Mattrek said: And they tax the wazoo out of them while Alberta lets them go for almost nothing. I wouldn’t mind following Norway at all. By them I assume you mean their own citizens? Good thing people wanting to be like Norway are in the slim minority in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: By them I assume you mean their own citizens? Good thing people wanting to be like Norway are in the slim minority in Canada Alberta and Saskatchewan. There ya go. fixed it for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: There ya go. fixed it for ya You didn't fix anything. The closest would be the ndp. The ndp has never formed the government of Canada and have only been official opposition once and that was due largely to the liberals picking Ignatieff as leader. Btw champ B.C has pretty low corporate taxes but they're similar to Norway in taxing the hell out of their citizens but not near as bad as Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 If only Alberta's oil could have ever been sold at market value. Oh wait the same people making comparisons are the ones that oppose pipelines to the Ocean meaning Albertan and Canadian oil gets sold at a very reduced rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 6:03 PM, Ryan Strome said: By them I assume you mean their own citizens? Good thing people wanting to be like Norway are in the slim minority in Canada. Ironic as Norway has oil as the backbone of their economy and has many pipelines/tankers and still manages a great environment and happy people. Ironic that it would be used as an example by anti-pipeline people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 RCMP officer assaulted during protests. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/officer-shoved-while-chasing-trans-mountain-protester-rcmp-1.3859560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, Violator said: RCMP officer assaulted during protests. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/officer-shoved-while-chasing-trans-mountain-protester-rcmp-1.3859560 Assaulted? By the story he was shoved and injured his knee (scraped it) and other protestors helped him in his arrest of the subject. His dumb a55 will be going to jail for a time but assault is a bit of a strong word. That said play stupid games win stupid prizes. Lucky he isn't in America or he'd not be running from anything ever again When they arrived, they found a man who had allegedly moved a city-owned survey monument. Mounties said several anti-pipeline demonstrators rushed in to block the Mountie from taking the man into custody for mischief, allowing him to evade capture. As the officer chased after the suspect, he was pursued by several protesters from a camp set up on the site. One of the demonstrators allegedly pushed the officer, causing him to injure his knee. Video posted to Facebook by a demonstrator and confirmed by RCMP shows the incident. A protester can be heard telling the suspect to "just run," and "go in the forest." As they chase the officer, she says, "Come on, push him!" and someone runs past the camera after the officer. The Mountie was still able to chase after the suspect, and managed to arrest the 41-year-old man for mischief and resisting arrest. An investigation into the incident is ongoing, and charges are being considered for a number of demonstrators who intervened, police said. In a statement, officers said they appreciated the co-operation of those at the site who are demonstrating peacefully. They said it was other protesters who called 911 to get help for the injured Mountie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Assaulted? By the story he was shoved and injured his knee (scraped it) and other protestors helped him in his arrest of the subject. His dumb a55 will be going to jail for a time but assault is a bit of a strong word. That said play stupid games win stupid prizes. Lucky he isn't in America or he'd not be running from anything ever again When they arrived, they found a man who had allegedly moved a city-owned survey monument. Mounties said several anti-pipeline demonstrators rushed in to block the Mountie from taking the man into custody for mischief, allowing him to evade capture. As the officer chased after the suspect, he was pursued by several protesters from a camp set up on the site. One of the demonstrators allegedly pushed the officer, causing him to injure his knee. Video posted to Facebook by a demonstrator and confirmed by RCMP shows the incident. A protester can be heard telling the suspect to "just run," and "go in the forest." As they chase the officer, she says, "Come on, push him!" and someone runs past the camera after the officer. The Mountie was still able to chase after the suspect, and managed to arrest the 41-year-old man for mischief and resisting arrest. An investigation into the incident is ongoing, and charges are being considered for a number of demonstrators who intervened, police said. In a statement, officers said they appreciated the co-operation of those at the site who are demonstrating peacefully. They said it was other protesters who called 911 to get help for the injured Mountie. Acccording to the criminal code of canada 265 (1) A person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-265.html So is a shove considedered an assault then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 B.C. government loses Trans Mountain appeal in federal court https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-government-loses-trans-mountain-appeal-in-federal-court-1.3858454 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: B.C. government loses Trans Mountain appeal in federal court https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-government-loses-trans-mountain-appeal-in-federal-court-1.3858454 It was a token resistance at best in my opinion. Remember when I said Horgan would fold over on everything resource related after putting up a mediocre fight? he's done exactly that with everything from Site C to Trans Mountain. No way is he going to pay for everything without allowing these projects to go through. Now he gets the benefit of looking tough for one side and looking like he is ensuring jobs and prosperity occur for the other. While the whole time Notley comes out looking like the wicked witch of the eastern side of the rockies to us but a champion for oil and resources for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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