Baggins Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 23 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: As a summer RFA, I think this one is quite a curious question. Due to a number of variables, I'd suspect this negotiation will have more of a big hit/miss aspect to it. - high pick(hasn't yet met expectations) - size & speed, we need - insinuations it wasn't JB's 1st choice? - local kid(the Cam Neely hang-ups, PTSD) - We do have quite the growing wealth, on W's/fwds I'd bank on/invest in Jake, even offering a longer bridge(w/NTC) due to his likely local boy-loyalty. I'm thinking something in the 5yr/2.5 mill-range(akin to Burr's cost-saving beauty deal). Biggest downside if we traded: Another Neely scenario Biggest downside if kept(& he doesn't progress): Something like Sandlak's legacy As fans, we'll probably all rather it's the latter, if this doesn't go well(from perspective of say, a decade into the future). Let's hope we deal with neither of the two! With Jake's beautiful stride, I suggest we try to lock him in for a lengthy period(accepting NTC), if he keeps the number easily digestible. Opinions??? It's certainly not in Jake's best interest to sign a long term deal low salary deal. I don't see him signing more than a two year deal unless it's has a progressive salary increase in it. Of course giving him a longer progressive deal would indicate managemnts confidence in Jake improving over the term of the deal. Players and their agents aren't stupid. At his age they won't take a long term deal at a low salary. That's accepting he's topped out at what he will become as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 i would not pay him more than 1.5mil per year he's still gonna be RFA anyways for a while not like he has much leverage based on his production so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, aGENT said: Probably look something like an updated version of this: Got a few Cups fer Coffee in the show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeygod77 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Jake i have noticed is still young at the nhl level..to be direct id like to see him get stronger mentally and physically..id like him to really step it up to make the bigger money..id like to see him show leadership and show a bit more grit in his hockey game without being penalized....the team hassle really good pieces to be a great team..it just needs more determination next year but playing smart as i said many times will make the team durable and less injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, hockeygod77 said: Jake i have noticed is still young at the nhl level..to be direct id like to see him get stronger mentally and physically..id like him to really step it up to make the bigger money..id like to see him show leadership and show a bit more grit in his hockey game without being penalized....the team hassle really good pieces to be a great team..it just needs more determination next year but playing smart as i said many times will make the team durable and less injury prone. I agree, he has improved a lot but nowhere near to commanding more than say $1.5 for 2/3 years. He is still very patchy and needs to work harder on the aspects you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swizzey Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Do you think Jake would take a discount if we threw in some cheeseburgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, swizzey said: Do you think Jake would take a discount if we threw in some cheeseburgers? Perhaps if there was also a keg of beer signing bonus..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Play a little Tampa Bay style hardball here and only a modest raise. He has a ton to prove and hasn’t earned a full time roster spot, never mind job security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Jake routinely gets wide and cuts in on the defense,based on his age and his skills improving I’d say he’s a prime candidate for a breakout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 3:08 PM, Nuxfanabroad said: Precisely. Reminiscent of the Burrows deal. That seemed to create good vibes that influenced other player-negotiations. Could work again. Did it really though? There is a lot of talk on here about the great contracts Gilman signed and yet we still can't get out from under the Sedin payback contracts. The Canucks signed a lot of bad contracts whether by Benning or Gillis/Gilman and we never did win the cup and only had about a 3year window of opportunity. After 2012 it has been all down hill and payoffs not playoffs. That is a long time ago to still be paying good guy money. I'd rather pay Jake fairly and trade him, or another blooming prospect, high if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44ever Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 He's a player who can't put up points on a team that's dead last and gives him tons of opportunity. ANything over 1.5 is about a million too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, westcoast said: Jake routinely gets wide and cuts in on the defense,based on his age and his skills improving I’d say he’s a prime candidate for a breakout. He also routinely gets scored upon. Rather easily too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I think a two year, show me type of deal is in order. Maybe, 1.50 and 2 milion for a 1.75 cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 "$2.5mil for 3-4 years" - SN650 Morning Muppets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If Virt manages to remain with the team post draft day and we re-sign him, then no more than $1.5M to $1.7M for 2-4 years. HOWEVER, I would not be surprised if the Canucks bundle him up with Hutton and deal them away for another first round pick as they are the only two young trade baits with some skill that might catch someone's interest. I bet Mgmt is 50-50 on both those guys (likely less with Hutton - who is probably gone for sure after his horrible play this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 For what he has proven so far i would offer a cool 500-750K nothing more nothing less. If he doesnt take it I see a minor league contract with another team in his future.. While he has been better for sure he still has a ton of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: If Virt manages to remain with the team post draft day and we re-sign him, then no more than $1.5M to $1.7M for 2-4 years. HOWEVER, I would not be surprised if the Canucks bundle him up with Hutton and deal them away for another first round pick as they are the only two young trade baits with some skill that might catch someone's interest. I bet Mgmt is 50-50 on both those guys (likely less with Hutton - who is probably gone for sure after his horrible play this year) 1 hour ago, Ronaldoescobar said: For what he has proven so far i would offer a cool 500-750K nothing more nothing less. If he doesnt take it I see a minor league contract with another team in his future.. While he has been better for sure he still has a ton of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 3:58 PM, -AJ- said: I think he gets $2M max, but probably a bit less. I'd guess between $1.6M and $1.9M for two years. He hasn't yet proven himself stable over a long period of time yet. If by incentives, you mean bonuses, they can't be done on deals after the Entry Level Contract. The only options for bonuses are ELCs and one-year deals for players over 35. Wow i didn't know this, well then sign him cheap and make him perform for his food : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand17 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Max I'd give is 2 years at 1.75 each. I don't think he's even worth that much but maybe pay in good faith hoping he will improve. I'll guarantee that if the Canucks give him a 4 year deal, he will be worthless by year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 2018-03-21 at 2:59 PM, Ronaldoescobar said: For what he has proven so far i would offer a cool 500-750K nothing more nothing less. If he doesnt take it I see a minor league contract with another team in his future.. While he has been better for sure he still has a ton of work to do. This is how not to negotiate a contract. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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