J.I.A.H.N Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) Well, I will probably be shot for this, but I am starting to change my view on the NHL draft and how the Canucks approach it...….. For instance...…... When Brian Bourke when after Hank and Danny...….he targeted them as the 2 best...….which wasn't hard in that case...….but the point is he identified what his needs were and then moved hell and high water to get them...…….worked out ok! Then there was Gillis, who traded an up and coming all-star goalie for our future first line center, there was little chance Horvat would be picked earlier, as he was ranked a few picks later...….a well targeted pick, for a position he needed...…..good fore-sight! Great drafting! The there is, and forgive me for going off topic for a second, but Bill Belichick always, well maybe not always, but he is well known for trading down to fill a hole, getting a secondary pick, as a result...which normally turns out, because of the Patriot's scouting...….seems to be doing fine also The point is, more often than not, going after the piece you want and believe in, if you believe in your scouting may sometimes be the right thing to do...…... We are short everywhere, and the draft this year, is turning into a 1 and 2, then 3 to 10 show, and who you chose, may not be anywhere near where near where others have him, or they simply do not need what you need...………….. So we know this...………(I think)…….as of today ... Colorado will pick 1, 2, 3, 4...top 3 - 50%....pretty good chance of picking top 3...…………………….......................................……………...Kakko or Hughes Detroit will pick 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...Top 3 - 39%...pretty good chance of picking top 4...…………….......................................…………………..….Hughes or Kakko LA will pick 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.....Top 3 - 34%....pretty good chance of picking top 4...….......................................…Needs everything...……....Cozens New Jersey 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,...Top 3 - 29%....pretty good chance of picking top 5..............................................…Needs a defenseman........Byram Anahiem 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7...…..Top 3 - 26%....pretty good chance of picking top 6...….......................................….Needs a forward...……..…Dach or Turcotte Vancouver 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8......Top 3 - 23%....chances of Vancouver getting worse than 7th are pretty slim...…... Needs scoring wingers.....Krebs, Boldy, Dach, Turcotte Rangers 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9......…Top 3 - 20%....chances of the Rangers getting worse than 8th are pretty slim........Needs a defenseman.......Podkolzin Buffalo 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 10...……Top 3 - 19%....chances of Buffalo getting worse than 8th are pretty slim................Needs a defenseman.......Harley Edmonton 1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11...Top 3 - 16%....chances of Edmonton getting worse than 9th are pretty slim...........Needs scoring wingers.....Krebs, Boldy, Dach, Turcotte Chicago 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12....Top 3 - 11%....chances of Chicago getting worse than 10th are pretty slim......… ...............Krebs, Boldy, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras Colorado Minnisota Florida Philidephia My point to all this is there is 11 really good names there...........Pretty sure we get one of these 4...........Krebs, Boldy, Dach or Turcotte, because I think LA and Anahiem will take centers and they like them big! ..................I also think 2 of Chicago's choice will still be left on the board after they pick............. Maybe we just stay where we are.....lol So which one do you take? Or do we move up 2 and take Byram...........Tanev and our 6th OA? Lot of choices! Edited March 16, 2019 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) I think trading up is going to be difficult. Compounded by the fact we are rebuilding & don't have alot of assets. Assuming we pick 6-8 I like our options in that range. I said I have Dach/Byram/Turcotte completing the top 5, but its more than likely I'm totally wrong & atleast one of those guys is available. So then there's your choice. Otherwise you could still be looking at Cozens/Podkolzin/Boldy. Edited March 15, 2019 by Smashian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Where is everyone at with Alex Newhook? From what Ive seen he's considered a bit more talented than Jost. Top 15 guy? Where does he rate to you among forwards like Kaliyev, Lavoie, Caufield, Pelletier, & McMicheal? (amongst others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Where is everyone at with Alex Newhook? From what Ive seen he's considered a bit more talented than Jost. Top 15 guy? Where does he rate to you among forwards like Kaliyev, Lavoie, Caufield, Pelletier, & McMicheal? (amongst others) I always have concerns about guys coming out of Canadian tier 2 junior becoming difference makers. Those leagues across ?Canada’s are really ver poor, and stats are greatly inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Besides Hughes and Kakko, who are the guys that could step in next year? I have a feeling that if JB is feeling his job is on the line, he may go for someone that can jump in right away to help toe the line of rebuilding and stay "competitive".. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Besides Hughes and Kakko, who are the guys that could step in next year? I have a feeling that if JB is feeling his job is on the line, he may go for someone that can jump in right away to help toe the line of rebuilding and stay "competitive".. Always a dangerous time, asset wise, when a GM has to 'win now' to keep his job. Was it Keenan who traded for Burke, Ciccone and Sanderson, then moved them after a handful of games ? Turned Gelinas and McLean into Huscroft, Snow ( ugh ) and May ( good ). Wasted assets. I don't agree that JB is on a very short leash tho'. After next season, that debate becomes relevant ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, SingleThorn said: I don't agree that JB is on a very short leash tho'. After next season, that debate becomes relevant ! I very much agree with that and next season will be the one to judge JB and the rebuild on. He is not in much jeopardy this year contrary to what is being published in the Province and elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Besides Hughes and Kakko, who are the guys that could step in next year? I have a feeling that if JB is feeling his job is on the line, he may go for someone that can jump in right away to help toe the line of rebuilding and stay "competitive".. cozens, according to ryan biech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GB5 Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Then there was Gillis, who traded an up and coming all-star goalie for our future first line center, there was little chance Horvat would be picked earlier, as he was ranked a few picks later...….a well targeted pick, for a position he needed...…..good fore-sight! Great drafting! First time I've ever see Gillis and "Good drafting" in the same sentence. I guess there is a first time for everything 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, GarthButcher5 said: First time I've ever see Gillis and "Good drafting" in the same sentence. I guess there is a first time for everything Gillis wrecked the teams future with his poor drafting and destroyed it his last year trying to save his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Gillis wrecked the teams future with his poor drafting and destroyed it his last year trying to save his job. I would say the success the team had for consecutive years causing bad draft position ruined our future along with poor drafting. Even if Gillis drafted well, I’m not sure we wouldn’t have had to “rebuild” eventually given our star players declined pretty quick. Even if he drafted well, we would’ve only been slightly better, and Benning wouldn’t have had the necessary picks to draft guys like Pettersson or Hughes. As a result we may have stayed average for longer. all I’m saying is that with an ageing team, the team didn’t have a future core, and wouldn’t have had a future core anyway with the positions we were in for the draft. The team really didn’t have any future either way. And Gillis’ inept drafting really helped us in the long run Edited March 15, 2019 by Grape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Gillis wrecked the teams future with his poor drafting and destroyed it his last year trying to save his job. I dont see how thats the case at all. Traded Luongo for Markstrom+ Traded Schneider for Horvat Gave up Diaz right away for a draft pick (Gaudette), rather than holding onto him for a playoff push. His drafting definitely set the organization back though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Gave up Diaz right away for a draft pick (Gaudette), rather than holding onto him for a playoff push. He did but he is not the one that drafted Gaudette... that was JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 He really is this year's DeBrincat. There will probably be a team that takes him late in the 1st round. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: He really is this year's DeBrincat. There will probably be a team that takes him late in the 1st round. Best goal scorer since kessel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, Isam said: Best goal scorer since kessel. Best American goal scorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Best American goal scorer? For that program yeah. Not the best american scorer though. Hull still holds that standard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, Isam said: For that program yeah. Not the best american scorer though. Hull still holds that standard. Its very timely/convenient to compare him to DeBrincat with how good AD's been this season, but in this case Caufield really does look like a DeBrincat clone. Thats his game. Guy just knows how to finish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 9:18 PM, Alflives said: I always have concerns about guys coming out of Canadian tier 2 junior becoming difference makers. Those leagues across ?Canada’s are really ver poor, and stats are greatly inflated. \And he was cut from U-17 & U-18. I don't know why. He seems to have alot of talent. Fast skater, good puck handler, good IQ, solid shot, committed 200ft game. But the level of competition makes it tough. I imagine he'll be a 10-20 guy. But I wonder if Jost struggling will have any impact on how teams feel about drafting a guy from the BCHL that high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Huge day for the USNTDP. Hughes has 26 points in 11 games since the WJC and 74 points in 36 games on the year. Caufield has 26 goals in 23 games against USHL competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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