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Just now, Jaku said:

Yeah. Not sure why he is getting time. I'd like to see what Newall actually thinks. Because this PP is actually insane (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result). 

I seem to be the only one on here blaming the players, or the lack of skill on the roster.

 

Like really, Hutton... PP specialist lol

 

pick your PP hero... Levino? :wacko:

 

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1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I seem to be the only one on here blaming the players, or the lack of skill on the roster.

 

Like really, Hutton... PP specialist lol

 

pick your PP hero... Levino? :wacko:

 

I guess I should clarify. I'm not trying to blame Newall for everything. The depth is isn't great. But, the deployment and set up for our best players isn't working either.

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2 minutes ago, Jaku said:

I guess I should clarify. I'm not trying to blame Newall for everything. The depth is isn't great. But, the deployment and set up for our best players isn't working either.

And I should also clarify that I just tagged onto your post to get a comment in...

 

Maybe it’s time to put Guddy in front and Gaudette out there too... something, anything other than the same things. 

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16 hours ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Actually it's not clear from what I found, but OJ is on an ELC this season, so even though he will be considered a rookie next year because of NHL games played, is he not considered a second year pro? If so he would have to be exposed.

From what I can tell OJ will probably have to be protected if he plays about half of next season, so unless injuries continue to derail him he will have to be protected so good eye and my mistake.  

 

Hughes should be fine if he doesn’t get games this year.   If he does play this year than as long as his total games equal 70 or more (AHL or NHL) he will have to be protected, but only if he plays this year too.  It’s a little confusing.   Hope Bennin weighs this in his thinking when he goes pro soon and burning the first year of his contract like he did with Boeser, which is standard when dealing with future stars.

 

 

Benning could protect one goalie and eight other skaters, or seven forwards, three defenseman and one goalie, or the entire core and quite a bit of chaff.  We shouldn’t be worried too much, guys like Motte, Goldobin, Rousell, Beagle, and depending on his contract, even Edler (NTC can still be exposed) if it looks like a good thing at the time, either because he won’t be picked anyways so why protect him, or becuase Benning wants to use him as bait.  The rest of our pool is safe, with the exception of Dahlen who will need protection.  Lind and JG look to be slipping through the cracks. 

 

Like Vegas, Seattle is gauranteed to get a good veteran goalie, it could be Markstrom for that matter,  but this time for our divisions sake I hope GMs don’t make ridiculously lopsided deals to keep from losing a certain guy they can’t protect.  I thought they were going to pretty bad, boy was I and most of the league wrong.  Turns out building a team with 4th stringer defenseman creates a pretty tight unit, and Fluery was/is brilliant.   We stand to lose a goalie that’s still in his prime, or a guy like Motte or Goldobin (assuming he figures things out and sticks around).   Or possibly an AHLer that hasn’t played much NHL hockey but has upside, like Gaunce last time.  Or Gudbranson, problems solved ha ha.

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

From what I can tell OJ will probably have to be protected if he plays about half of next season, so unless injuries continue to derail him he will have to be protected so good eye and my mistake.  

 

Hughes should be fine if he doesn’t get games this year.   If he does play this year than as long as his total games equal 70 or more (AHL or NHL) he will have to be protected, but only if he plays this year too.  It’s a little confusing.   Hope Bennin weighs this in his thinking when he goes pro soon and burning the first year of his contract like he did with Boeser, which is standard when dealing with future stars.

 

 

Benning could protect one goalie and eight other skaters, or seven forwards, three defenseman and one goalie, or the entire core and quite a bit of chaff.  We shouldn’t be worried too much, guys like Motte, Goldobin, Rousell, Beagle, and depending on his contract, even Edler (NTC can still be exposed) if it looks like a good thing at the time, either because he won’t be picked anyways so why protect him, or becuase Benning wants to use him as bait.  The rest of our pool is safe, with the exception of Dahlen who will need protection.  Lind and JG look to be slipping through the cracks. 

 

Like Vegas, Seattle is gauranteed to get a good veteran goalie, it could be Markstrom for that matter,  but this time for our divisions sake I hope GMs don’t make ridiculously lopsided deals to keep from losing a certain guy they can’t protect.  I thought they were going to pretty bad, boy was I and most of the league wrong.  Turns out building a team with 4th stringer defenseman creates a pretty tight unit, and Fluery was/is brilliant.   We stand to lose a goalie that’s still in his prime, or a guy like Motte or Goldobin (assuming he figures things out and sticks around).   Or possibly an AHLer that hasn’t played much NHL hockey but has upside, like Gaunce last time.  Or Gudbranson, problems solved ha ha.

I hate the thought of losing Marky, especially since it seems Demko has trouble staying healthy and past those to we nothing in the system. DiPieteo is at least two years away. That said, since it seems obvious that Hughes is going to burn the first year of his ELC, we would likely protect him, OJ and Hutton. Meaning that we would lose Stecher, a decent second pairing Dman with first pairing potential. That would suck, but we will likely have Edler and Tanev to soften the blow.

 

What I read was that this draft is identical to the Vegas draft, so we would have to protect NTC contracts. Hopefully JB gives Edler an extra year of term in exchange for no NTC.

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1 minute ago, canuckleheads fan said:

I hate the thought of losing Marky, especially since it seems Demko has trouble staying healthy and past those to we nothing in the system. DiPieteo is at least two years away. That said, since it seems obvious that Hughes is going to burn the first year of his ELC, we would likely protect him, OJ and Hutton. Meaning that we would lose Stecher, a decent second pairing Dman with first pairing potential. That would suck, but we will likely have Edler and Tanev to soften the blow.

 

What I read was that this draft is identical to the Vegas draft, so we would have to protect NTC contracts. Hopefully JB gives Edler an extra year of term in exchange for no NTC.

I think NTC are fair play (don’t have to be  protected) and only NMC have to be protected but I could be wrong.  Pretty sure anyways, there was talk or exposing Edler just to shed payroll last time, and the value of doing that (he wasn’t playing as well at the time, and as usually struggling to stay healthy).  The NHL have ensured that they would have exactly the same expansion rules..

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2 hours ago, IBatch said:

I think NTC are fair play (don’t have to be  protected) and only NMC have to be protected but I could be wrong.  Pretty sure anyways, there was talk or exposing Edler just to shed payroll last time, and the value of doing that (he wasn’t playing as well at the time, and as usually struggling to stay healthy).  The NHL have ensured that they would have exactly the same expansion rules..

Ultimately they couldn't expose him because he would not waive, which meant the Canucks had to protect him and thus lost Sbisa.

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Just now, canuckleheads fan said:

Ultimately they couldn't expose him because he would not waive, which meant the Canucks had to protect him and thus lost Sbisa.

Edler has a NTC and not a NMC.  Only NMCs have to be protected.  Canucks could have exposed Edler but elected to protect him.  

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1 hour ago, canuckleheads fan said:

Ultimately they couldn't expose him because he would not waive, which meant the Canucks had to protect him and thus lost Sbisa.

I’m pretty sure they don’t have a choice as it isn’t a trade oriented move but an expansoin draft “ all played with  no movement clauses must be protected unless the waive” , nothing on NTC’s as they are fair game and don’t have to be protected.  Some fans suggested we expose him last draft, and it’s possible the same will occur with Seattle depending on how he’s playing, could be used as bait to help Seattle make it to the cap floor...

 

edit: oops I see mll above beat me to this

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