Joe Biden Debates Donald Trump September 29

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, canuckster19 said:

I found this quite interesting, Kamala Harris gets destroyed by Tulsi Gabbard and Harris' press secretary blames Russia for the fallout?!

 

 

 

I'm sorry what reality do these people live in?

I think that’s the most often asked question regarding politicians 

[canuckster19]

2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

I think that’s the most often asked question regarding politicians 

Here's the problem I have, if he is correct that Russia is fanning the flames of this incident... so what? I mean do they really think people should ignore Kamala Harris' track record as a politician and how she became one because, "progressive" "colour" "minority" "woman". If the democrats can't find a single candidate who doesn't have skeletons in their closet, or can answer for said skeletons in the closet, then they shouldn't even be there, that's on them. Not Russia, not the Republicans, not Faux News.

 

I honestly think Trump will win again, and I don't know how to feel about that.

[riffraff]

3 minutes ago, canuckster19 said:

Here's the problem I have, if he is correct that Russia is fanning the flames of this incident... so what? I mean do they really think people should ignore Kamala Harris' track record as a politician and how she became one because, "progressive" "colour" "minority" "woman". If the democrats can't find a single candidate who doesn't have skeletons in their closet, or can answer for said skeletons in the closet, then they shouldn't even be there, that's on them. Not Russia, not the Republicans, not Faux News.

 

I honestly think Trump will win again, and I don't know how to feel about that.

Agreed.

 

its almost like the Democrats are being forced to present and honest politician.

 

good luck with that.

[canuckster19]

2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Agreed.

 

its almost like the Democrats are being forced to present and honest politician.

 

good luck with that.

And that's the hilarious thing, they don't care, Democrats aren't losing sleep at night because there's a Republican in the Whitehouse. Democrats love the status quo, cause they don't have to do anything. I liked Obama, but that man could have given the US universal healthcare, he had the entire congress and a supermajority in the senate. Why didn't Democrats do it? Really? Why didn't they do it? Because they don't want to hit their own wallets any more than Republicans do.

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, canuckster19 said:

And that's the hilarious thing, they don't care, Democrats aren't losing sleep at night because there's a Republican in the Whitehouse. Democrats love the status quo, cause they don't have to do anything. I liked Obama, but that man could have given the US universal healthcare, he had the entire congress and a supermajority in the senate. Why didn't Democrats do it? Really? Why didn't they do it? Because they don't want to hit their own wallets any more than Republicans do.

Agree.

 

obama fan here too.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Would love to see a rematch of Tulsi vs. Harris.  Hopefully she can gain a little in the polls to qualify.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/749412337/9-candidates-now-qualify-for-the-september-democratic-primary-debate

9 Candidates Now Qualify For The September Democratic Primary Debate

 

ALL REQUIREMENTS MET

Joe Biden

Former vice president

Cory Booker

Senator from New Jersey

Pete Buttigieg

Mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Kamala Harris

Senator from California

Amy Klobuchar

Senator from Minnesota

Beto O'Rourke

Former representative from Texas' 16th District

Bernie Sanders

Senator from Vermont

Elizabeth Warren

Senator from Massachusetts

Andrew Yang

Founder of Venture for America

DONOR REQUIREMENT MET

Julián Castro

Former secretary of housing and urban development

Tulsi Gabbard

Representative from Hawaii's 2nd District

NO REQUIREMENTS MET

Michael Bennet

Senator from Colorado

Steve Bullock

Governor of Montana

Bill de Blasio

Mayor of New York City

John Delaney

Former representative from Maryland's 6th District

Kirsten Gillibrand

Senator from New York

John Hickenlooper

Former governor of Colorado

Jay Inslee

Governor of Washington

Wayne Messam

Mayor of Miramar, Fla.

Seth Moulton

Representative from Massachusetts' 6th District

Tim Ryan

Representative from Ohio's 13th District

Joe Sestak

Former representative from Pennsylvania's 7th District

Tom Steyer

Billionaire business executive, activist

Marianne Williamson

Spiritual guru, entrepreneur

[Chicken.]

6 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Would love to see a rematch of Tulsi vs. Harris.  Hopefully she can gain a little in the polls to qualify.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/749412337/9-candidates-now-qualify-for-the-september-democratic-primary-debate

9 Candidates Now Qualify For The September Democratic Primary Debate

 

 

I'm glad Andrew Yang made it I find him the most refreshing to listen to 

[Lancaster]

18 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

I'm glad Andrew Yang made it I find him the most refreshing to listen to 

He sounds like a true centrist, a realist, and with some good ideas that appeals to both left and right.  

Many people who voted Trump would probably vote for him. 

That's why he's not going to last long.  

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Thought I would put this here to provide the GOP position on Healthcare.  Breaking news.  It is the same, tired B.S. they have been spewing for years with no real plan on how to improve Healthcare, unlike the Democratic candidates for the nomination.

 

https://thinkprogress.org/lindsey-graham-vows-obamacare-repeal-if-gop-takes-control-2020-1e14cdc2267a/

Lindsey Graham vows to repeal Obamacare if GOP takes control in 2020

The South Carolina senator did not learn the lessons of 2018.

[Chicken.]

Biden taking a lot of heat for this comment... slip of the tognue ?  interprets as white kids cannot be poor kids too lol

 

 

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, Chicken. said:

Biden taking a lot of heat for this comment... slip of the tognue ?  interprets as white kids cannot be poor kids too lol

 

 

Oh Joe,

 

Scramble pick up right after though , He quickly added: "Wealthy kids. Black kids. Asian kids. No, I really mean it. But think how we think about it.

 

Anyway,  really like Yang, Warren and Pete. they seem in touch and intelligent. Having a Warren/Yang ticket would be like a mountain of knowledge vs Trump's nicknames and make it up as you go style. Though, I'm sure it will end up being Biden + whoever.

 

Does Yang consider himself a centrist?

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

Oh Joe,

 

Scramble pick up right after though , He quickly added: "Wealthy kids. Black kids. Asian kids. No, I really mean it. But think how we think about it.

 

Anyway,  really like Yang, Warren and Pete. they seem in touch and intelligent. Having a Warren/Yang ticket would be like a mountain of knowledge vs Trump's nicknames and make it up as you go style. Though, I'm sure it will end up being Biden + whoever.

 

Does Yang consider himself a centrist?

I enjoyed listening to Yang the most but would like to hear more from Booker.  What are your thoughts on him?

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

Does Yang consider himself a centrist?

Do any of the candidates?  

 

In his case, considering he is all for the Freedom dividend (free money for all), Medicare for all, government funded political donations, government funded financial advice, carbon tax wealth distribution, and a few other things the government needs to control for us, I sure wouldn't call him a centrist.  He has some interesting ideas about things people aren't talking about, and there are a few things he supports I can fully get behind (not that I claim to be centrist), but from reading his site and not yet having heard him speak, he comes off a bit kooky to me.

[Chicken.]

On 8/8/2019 at 12:23 PM, Lancaster said:

He sounds like a true centrist, a realist, and with some good ideas that appeals to both left and right.  

Many people who voted Trump would probably vote for him. 

That's why he's not going to last long.  

you are probably right he won't last long. I am not sure if he identifies as a centrist but he claims to be a big numbers/data guy. his universal basic income stance seems very socialist leaning but I think he also views thing from a business perspective being a serial entrepreneur. He views the rise in technology as the next industrial revolution which is hard to argue against with the widespread hope for automation of jobs

 

I just read this article which provides some backstory;

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/andrew-yang-technocrat-not-politician/ 

 

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Andrew Yang Is a New Kind of Democrat

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Much of the buzz around Yang is generated by his “freedom dividend,” a universal-basic-income (UBI) proposal to give every American the option of receiving $1,000 per month from the federal government. Unlike the policy proposals of the other Democratic candidates, most of whom seem to be basing their positions more or less on where their next-closest competitor was standing yesterday, Yang’s UBI — though rightly unpersuasive to conservatives on principle — is based on his careful thought about the state of the American economy and the social complications that have arisen as a result.

Unlike the rest of the Democrats, Yang is not fighting for the honor of being the most left-wing candidate on stage. He’s not even especially progressive. He is, ultimately, a technocrat, with a complex explanation for every problem and a corresponding, carefully developed policy solution, which is more feasible in some cases than in others.

 

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, Chicken. said:

you are probably right he won't last long. I am not sure if he identifies as a centrist but he claims to be a big numbers/data guy. his universal basic income stance seems very socialist leaning but I think he also views thing from a business perspective being a serial entrepreneur. He views the rise in technology as the next industrial revolution which is hard to argue against with the widespread hope for automation of jobs

As far as his UBI, I understand and can appreciate the concept from his perspective (increased automation impacting job availability)... I just don't think we're there yet.  Especially when you look at the price tag.

 

If every American takes what he is offering, that cost is 4 trillion per year, for starters, since as population goes up, so does the program costs.  That is already over three times the cost of the Trump tax cuts, 4 times the estimated cost of Obamacare, and more expensive than Medicare for all (which he also supports).  Three items that are considered by many as irresponsible government spending.  

 

And, how long until he is labeled a racist for excluding illegal aliens from the handout?  Meh, that's only another 100-200 billion a year... why skimp at this point?

[Chicken.]

2 minutes ago, Kragar said:

As far as his UBI, I understand and can appreciate the concept from his perspective (increased automation impacting job availability)... I just don't think we're there yet.  Especially when you look at the price tag.

 

If every American takes what he is offering, that cost is 4 trillion per year, for starters, since as population goes up, so does the program costs.  That is already over three times the cost of the Trump tax cuts, 4 times the estimated cost of Obamacare, and more expensive than Medicare for all (which he also supports).  Three items that are considered by many as irresponsible government spending.  

 

And, how long until he is labeled a racist for excluding illegal aliens from the handout?  Meh, that's only another 100-200 billion a year... why skimp at this point?

I don't intend to defend his policies but do find his perspective interesting as well

 

He discussed the cost of his UBI idea during the Joe Rogan interview, pegged it at around 3 trillion but notes that there is already 1.5 trillion being given out in welfare programs, food stamps, etc.. (ie: for those people who are receiving like $700 already will only get $300 more) so the actual UBI cost he claims is around 1.5 trillion which he believes will be reduced further in the long-term through less crime out of desperation and a few other reasons I can't recall.

 

I don't think $1000 is enough to live off of anyway in most states and I am not sure if those working full-time would still qualify to receive it.. 

[Kragar]

6 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

I don't intend to defend his policies but do find his perspective interesting as well

 

He discussed the cost of his UBI idea during the Joe Rogan interview, pegged it at around 3 trillion but notes that there is already 1.5 trillion being given out in welfare programs, food stamps, etc.. (ie: for those people who are receiving like $700 already will only get $300 more) so the actual UBI cost he claims is around 1.5 trillion which he believes will be reduced further in the long-term through less crime out of desperation and a few other reasons I can't recall.

 

I don't think $1000 is enough to live off of anyway in most states and I am not sure if those working full-time would still qualify to receive it.. 

No worries, wasn't looking for you to defend him, just more looking to chat about his UBI.  He is one of the more interesting one candidates, IMO.  At least there are some thoughts outside the box, even some I can get behind.  I think he is just too far ahead of his time for UBI, especially so widespread.

[falcon45ca]

Go Warren 

[Ronaldoescobar]

YangGang or the dems get slaughtered.

[SabreFan1]

How many times have I said in the Trump thread that Biden will win the Democratic primary unless he says something monumentally stupid...
 

His aides should keep him under wraps as much as possible and only open up his box and let him out if his numbers start to sag and he needs a quick bump.

 

At least against Trump in the general election, his flubs will pale in comparison and his whole party will be stuck with him at that point and will have to choose between either eating their own guy alive for saying something less than PC or settle in for 4 more years of Trump.