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There are too many forwards on the roster. In order to rid ourselves of some anchor contracts, I would be willing to give up some decent assets to make a deal work so we can actually upgrade the top 6.

 

To Ottawa: 

Eriksson

mikey dipietro

To Van:

4th round pick

 

To Calgary:

Sutter

OTT 4th round pick

To Van:

James Neal

1st round pick

 

This would clear up some cap space, and allow us to make my next proposed move which is to offer sheet Kevin labanc at the highest salary in the third bracket of the offer sheet compensation which cost a 2nd round pick and carries a salary cap hit of roughly 4.22M

 

Opening night roster:

Labanc - petey - boeser

pearson - bo - Jt miller

leivo - gaudette - virtanen/ Neal 

virtanen/Neal - beagle - motte

Baertschi

 

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1 hour ago, Eastsidenuck said:

There are too many forwards on the roster. In order to rid ourselves of some anchor contracts, I would be willing to give up some decent assets to make a deal work so we can actually upgrade the top 6.

 

To Ottawa: 

Eriksson

mikey dipietro

To Van:

4th round pick

 

To Calgary:

Sutter

OTT 4th round pick

To Van:

James Neal

1st round pick

 

This would clear up some cap space, and allow us to make my next proposed move which is to offer sheet Kevin labanc at the highest salary in the third bracket of the offer sheet compensation which cost a 2nd round pick and carries a salary cap hit of roughly 4.22M

 

Opening night roster:

Labanc - petey - boeser

pearson - bo - Jt miller

leivo - gaudette - virtanen/ Neal 

virtanen/Neal - beagle - motte

Baertschi

 

This is what it cost Toronto to dump Marleau with only 1 year left on his contract. Why do we think it would cost so much less to move Loui with 3 years left on his contract?

Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
Carolina_Hurricanes.gif Patrick Marleau
2020 conditional 1st round pick 
2020 7th round pick 
June 22, 2019
2020 6th round pick Toronto_Maple_Leafs.gif
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59 minutes ago, Eastsidenuck said:

There are too many forwards on the roster. In order to rid ourselves of some anchor contracts, I would be willing to give up some decent assets to make a deal work so we can actually upgrade the top 6.

 

To Ottawa: 

Eriksson

mikey dipietro

To Van:

4th round pick

 

To Calgary:

Sutter

OTT 4th round pick

To Van:

James Neal

1st round pick

 

This would clear up some cap space, and allow us to make my next proposed move which is to offer sheet Kevin labanc at the highest salary in the third bracket of the offer sheet compensation which cost a 2nd round pick and carries a salary cap hit of roughly 4.22M

 

Opening night roster:

Labanc - petey - boeser

pearson - bo - Jt miller

leivo - gaudette - virtanen/ Neal 

virtanen/Neal - beagle - motte

Baertschi

 

So, what you are saying is offload Eriksson on Otawa, give them a pretty decent prospect in Dipietro to entice them and get a 4th round pick in return.  Then we offload Sutter's bad contract to Calgary for James Neal's bad contract, give them a fourth and get in return Calgary's first. So we reduce our cap hit by 6 mil plus 4.375 mil and take back 5.75, which nets us about 4.625 mil in cap space and what is probably a late first round pick to give to Tampa - getting back our own first pick in 2019 or 2010 - and we offersheet Lebanc, whose career has shown pretty good growth - but he is a right winger which makes either Virtanen or Leivo superfluous.

Well, the first question would be whether Mikey Dipietro is a big enough enticement for Ottawa to take on Eriksson's contract and give us a fourth.  They have the cap space, but maybe we'd have to retain salary - which our ownership might do because they don't seem averse to spending money to improve the team - don't know if that is appealing to Ottawa though.  I suppose the enticement to Calgary is getting  rid of some of their cap space tied up in Neil - but would they part with a first to reduce their cap by 1.325 mil approximately - in the first two years.  Granted they get a great benefit in the third and fourth year, but by then we will need every ounce of cap space we can muster to cover Pettersson, Demko and Hughes contracts, so no that does not work for us.

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1 hour ago, Rick Blight said:

This is what it cost Toronto to dump Marleau with only 1 year left on his contract. Why do we think it would cost so much less to move Loui with 3 years left on his contract?

Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
Carolina_Hurricanes.gif Patrick Marleau
2020 conditional 1st round pick 
2020 7th round pick 
June 22, 2019
2020 6th round pick Toronto_Maple_Leafs.gif

Because Loui can fill out a team trying to get to the cap, while only costing them actual dollars of around 3 million per season, representing good value. Toronto needed someone who would AGREE to buy out Marleau as part of the deal, allowing Marleau to choose which team he wants to go and play for, if he wants to continue playing at all.

 

Completely different situation.

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3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Because Loui can fill out a team trying to get to the cap, while only costing them actual dollars of around 3 million per season, representing good value. Toronto needed someone who would AGREE to buy out Marleau as part of the deal, allowing Marleau to choose which team he wants to go and play for, if he wants to continue playing at all.

 

Completely different situation.

Ottawa is less than $2M from the cap floor and need to sign 4 additional players. They will have no cap issues and have zero need to take Ericksson without significant incentive.The number of teams that would have the cap space and willingness to take on Marleau and buy him out would have certainly been limited but the number of teams willing to take Loui for the next 3 years is very limited as well unless significant incenrives are involved or a similar bad contract is being returned.

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18 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

Ottawa is less than $2M from the cap floor and need to sign 4 additional players. They will have no cap issues and have zero need to take Ericksson without significant incentive.The number of teams that would have the cap space and willingness to take on Marleau and buy him out would have certainly been limited but the number of teams willing to take Loui for the next 3 years is very limited as well unless significant incenrives are involved or a similar bad contract is being returned.

We'll either move him to another team that can make use of him, or he'll show up to camp and either earn a spot or be shipped off to Utica.

 

Can't see us giving up a significant asset to move him. DiPietro is way too steep of a price. We have enough flexibility this year that we could bury him in Utica.

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7 hours ago, Rick Blight said:

Ottawa is less than $2M from the cap floor and need to sign 4 additional players. They will have no cap issues and have zero need to take Ericksson without significant incentive.The number of teams that would have the cap space and willingness to take on Marleau and buy him out would have certainly been limited but the number of teams willing to take Loui for the next 3 years is very limited as well unless significant incenrives are involved or a similar bad contract is being returned.

This exactly.  In two years we will be in the exact same position TO was with Marleau, and then it cost them their first.  Sure they were up against the cap so had no choice but to make the deal, but so could we by then.   Like it or not, even with his actual salary being what it is, he’s going to be extremely difficult to move without giving what TO just gave up plus plus for each year.  Unless we take back something just as gross like Ryan or Lucic. 

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6 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

We'll either move him to another team that can make use of him, or he'll show up to camp and either earn a spot or be shipped off to Utica.

 

Can't see us giving up a significant asset to move him. DiPietro is way too steep of a price. We have enough flexibility this year that we could bury him in Utica.

This is what will happen unless he makes amends.  Benning has shown no patience with players acting entitled (McCaan, even JV early on) or even hinting they deserve more (Dahlén).  LE publicly whined, and Benning publicly said he’s tried to get ahold of him twice but he hadn’t responded (old news but that’s what he said) .... and he also showed that he’s willing to bury a vet in favour of AG (Gagner) burying him in the minors last year.   That’s exactly what he will do with LE, save 1 million of cap space while doing it, and as someone else delicately put it “ he can eat bus farts” for awhile and think of what he’s done.  

 

The dressing room is important to Benning and any disruptions are quickly dealt with.  It’s up to LE to show up at camp and prove himself (again) and personally I think we will see a lot better effort from him IF he stays (not Utica). 

 

NYR buried Redden and his 5 million (today would be like 8) so it’s happened before. 

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If it costs ANY assets to get rid of Loui it isn't worth it. 

This guy effectively got paid $9M a year to do little things about it. 

Once his contract is mostly paid he starts complaining.  

If  someone wants him for essentially nothing fine, but otherwise bury him and eat the contract.

Frankly lacking cap flexibility seems to make JB a better GM.

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