Justdean10 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Alflives said: That’s still a three million dollar contract though. I still see the end result as Loui retiring. He’s not going to play in the AHL. 3mill is better than 6mill. No guarantee that Loui does retire . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Justdean10 said: 3mill is better than 6mill. No guarantee that Loui does retire . He’s got 50 plus million, and his reputation in Sweden is even bigger than that bank account. He will retire before being put on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) Edited July 21, 2019 by kenhodgejr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Silver Ghost said: If Hutton was a 40 point dman for 4 straight years like Risto, he would have been qualified by the Canucks. Plus minus is a team strength stat in many ways and as a stand alone is not always an accurate reflection of a players individual defensive worth. Risto has work to do on the defensive side of the game but right handed, right side, 40 point dmen are valuable in the NHL. Left handed, side, 20 point Dmen? Not as valuable apparently. what's better a consistent 45 pt player with a -30 stat or a consistent 20 pt player with a +15...I know the 45 pt player is the sexy pick...but I would pick the 20 pt player with a +15 stat...Risto is consistently a big time minus player...you don't win with this kind of player...basically getting another Hutton...Risto didn't help Buffalo...he seemed to be more of a liability than a steady dman. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pete M said: what's better a consistent 45 pt player with a -30 stat or a consistent 20 pt player with a +15...I know the 45 pt player is the sexy pick...but I would pick the 20 pt player with a +15 stat...Risto is consistently a big time minus player...you don't win with this kind of player...basically getting another Hutton...Risto didn't help Buffalo...he seemed to be more of a liability than a steady dman. Exactly. I like the St Louis model for defense. Big, solid defensively and all can be trusted in all situations. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2019 These are the stats of a steady dman that you win with...note the pts and note the +/-...This boy has 2 stanley cup rings and was a big reason LA won those cups 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, King Heffy said: Exactly. I like the St Louis model for defense. Big, solid defensively and all can be trusted in all situations. We did get a lot bigger this off season, didn’t we. Quinn is not big, but in those five games last year we had a 7-3 shot advantage, when he was on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: We did get a lot bigger this off season, didn’t we. Quinn is not big, but in those five games last year we had a 7-3 shot advantage, when he was on the ice. And Quinn's nowhere near the defensive liability of someone like Gardiner, Rielly, or Risto. Nice group we are assembling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted July 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pete M said: These are the stats of a steady dman that you win with...note the pts and note the +/-...This boy has 2 stanley cup rings and was a big reason LA won those cups Defensive defensemen are criminally underrated here. People think that Jake Gardiner is an upgrade over Tanev. Luckily we drafted Jet Woo, who should be able to fill that sort of role. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, King Heffy said: Defensive defensemen are criminally underrated here. People think that Jake Gardiner is an upgrade over Tanev. Luckily we drafted Jet Woo, who should be able to fill that sort of role. Absolutely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Defensive defensemen are criminally underrated here. People think that Jake Gardiner is an upgrade over Tanev. Luckily we drafted Jet Woo, who should be able to fill that sort of role. Mitchell and Greene were the ultimate shutdown "D" that played together and big minutes...they shut the other teams top players down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Again, not sexy...but these are the players on "D" that a team wins with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Pete M said: Mitchell and Greene were the ultimate shutdown "D" that played together and big minutes...they shut the other teams top players down. They were a couple of tanks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted July 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Pete M said: These are the stats of a steady dman that you win with...note the pts and note the +/-...This boy has 2 stanley cup rings and was a big reason LA won those cups Would have been great to have in 2011. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Would have been great to have in 2011. We would be looking at a SC banner in the rafters at the garage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, Pete M said: These are the stats of a steady dman that you win with...note the pts and note the +/-...This boy has 2 stanley cup rings and was a big reason LA won those cups He is the reason we didn't win in 2011 *well actually malkin was the reason... (made Gillis scared to re-sign him) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I had posted -this is dumb. -will not happen one of those sentences was incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pete M said: what's better a consistent 45 pt player with a -30 stat or a consistent 20 pt player with a +15...I know the 45 pt player is the sexy pick...but I would pick the 20 pt player with a +15 stat...Risto is consistently a big time minus player...you don't win with this kind of player...basically getting another Hutton...Risto didn't help Buffalo...he seemed to be more of a liability than a steady dman. I would pick the 45 point player every time because a 20-25 point difference between dmen is huge and plus minus on a weak team finishing near the bottom of the standings is going to be skewed. Especially for a top pairing dman that plays a lot of minutes. Plus minus is not a stat that should be used in isolation to determine a players defensive ability. It relies on far too many factors outside a players control. Its a weak stat at best, best used in coordination with a lot of other information. Ristoleinen and Hutton should never be compared. Risto is simply the far better player. Edited July 21, 2019 by Silver Ghost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I had posted -this is dumb. -will not happen one of those sentences was incorrect. Don't leave us hanging!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: I would pick the 45 point player every time because a 20-25 point difference between dmen is huge and plus minus on a weak team finishing near the bottom of the standings is going to be skewed. Especially for a top pairing dman that plays a lot of minutes. Plus minus is not a stat that should be used in isolation to determine a players defensive ability. It relies on far too many factors outside a players control. Its a weak stat at best, best used in coordination with a lot of other information. Ristoleinen and Hutton should never be compared. Risto is simply the far better player. no worries...the Canucks picked up two steady dman this summer. ...and never resigned a liability, yet Edited July 21, 2019 by Pete M 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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