Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Me_ said: Where does the nickname “poolparty” come from anyways? I don’t know who started it, but I use it because that’s a lot easier to spell than Puljujarvi. It’s not meant to be disparaging. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted August 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2019 Combo of typical bad EDM development and entitled player. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: sure it does. Even if it doesn't, it does from my perspective For context, this is what we did with Palmu. Edmonton did mismanage this kid from the start, they misread his actual ability level, stick him on lousy lines, and yo-yo'd him between the NHL and AHL. Just look at the lines he was on: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jesse-puljujarvi When he was with McD he scored well. With RNH did OK. Otherwise train wreck. He needs quality line mates to be effective, not unlike many players (look at Loui e.g.) so I don't know what Edmonton was hoping for by putting him with Lucic and Strome. Pool was put in more checking roles, because the coaches were trying to teach him to play without the puck. The guy is completely lost without the puck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I hope someone else signs him and his career takes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Pool was put in more checking roles, because the coaches were trying to teach him to play without the puck. The guy is completely lost without the puck. then leave him in the AHL for an entire year with that job in mind. I don't think many guys can learn an NHL checking role on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: sure it does. Even if it doesn't, it does from my perspective For context, this is what we did with Palmu. Edmonton did mismanage this kid from the start, they misread his actual ability level, stick him on lousy lines, and yo-yo'd him between the NHL and AHL. Just look at the lines he was on: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jesse-puljujarvi When he was with McD he scored well. With RNH did OK. Otherwise train wreck. He needs quality line mates to be effective, not unlike many players (look at Loui e.g.) so I don't know what Edmonton was hoping for by putting him with Lucic and Strome. Probably were hoping to develop a defensive side to his game like we did with Virtanen. Only problem was it was with Lucic and Strome and not the likes of Sutter and Roussel/Eriksson who many cry about their pricetags and all, but are much better insulators to let Virtanen develop. Wasn't there some rumour that he didn't really get along with a teammate or was that another player? If it was him, then it could also be why he didn't stick with the top players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I hope someone else signs him and his career takes off. Wouldn't he have to wait out his RFA years to be able to sign with another NHL team? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: then leave him in the AHL for an entire year with that job in mind. I don't think many guys can learn an NHL checking role on the fly. Typically EDM rush job. JP knew his career was going down the toilet and probably be over if he stayed there. I visited Edmonton this summer for a few days. Yuk. Couldn't wait to get back home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, theo5789 said: Wouldn't he have to wait out his RFA years to be able to sign with another NHL team? ...you're probably right actually. I guess the alternative would be to rip it up in Finland until he can be offer-sheeted later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: ...you're probably right actually. I guess the alternative would be to rip it up in Finland until he can be offer-sheeted later on. It's a gamble on Puljujarvi's part because unless he's the Finnish Gretzky there, he might not draw much NHL interest anymore. It could be a career decision that derails his dream to be an NHL player. If he didn't put in the effort with Edmonton and then force his way out with value, what makes you think he suddenly will be a workhorse in Finland? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: then leave him in the AHL for an entire year with that job in mind. I don't think many guys can learn an NHL checking role on the fly. I agree, but they were trying to trade him, so he needed to play on the big team to have any value. No, they’re stuck. He needs to play on small ice in the AHL to learn, but he needs waivers. Unless Holland will take a Goldy type player (decent player with upside who also needs waivers) or a third round pick I see JP playing this season in Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I hope someone else signs him and his career takes off. If Holland plays this slow. Would a team trade for Pulvi in January - and if so... would he leave Finland part way through their season to return? Or do you think its more of a once the season starts he stays type deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: I agree, but they were trying to trade him, so he needed to play on the big team to have any value. No, they’re stuck. He needs to play on small ice in the AHL to learn, but he needs waivers. Unless Holland will take a Goldy type player (decent player with upside who also needs waivers) or a third round pick I see JP playing this season in Europe. He doesn’t seem to be struggling with the ice. Seems like he is a bad fit in Edmonton. Benning seemed to think he was NHL ready at the draft. Edmonton is just good at ruining careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: He doesn’t seem to be struggling with the ice. Seems like he is a bad fit in Edmonton. Benning seemed to think he was NHL ready at the draft. Edmonton is just good at ruining careers. He looks great with the puck in offensive situations. Without the puck, or having the puck in a more defensive spot, he’s terrible. The game is happing too fast for him to process when he’s playing without the puck defensively. He’s big, fast, skilled, and still only 21. He needs to learn a lot still though. Where does he learn that? Is he really going to gain those defensive awareness skills on the bigger ice in Europe, where things happen slower than here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: He looks great with the puck in offensive situations. Without the puck, or having the puck in a more defensive spot, he’s terrible. The game is happing too fast for him to process when he’s playing without the puck defensively. He’s big, fast, skilled, and still only 21. He needs to learn a lot still though. Where does he learn that? Is he really going to gain those defensive awareness skills on the bigger ice in Europe, where things happen slower than here? Defense is positioning and willingness to play defense, if you need a ton of speed it means you made a mental error and are caught out of position and need that speed to correct it. Green taught Jake how to be better defensively, if Puljujarvi is willing to learn he could learn the defensive game anywhere. Pettersson had no problem defending smaller ice. Why? Cause he is smart positionally and has a willingness to actually play some defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rush17 said: If Holland plays this slow. Would a team trade for Pulvi in January - and if so... would he leave Finland part way through their season to return? Or do you think its more of a once the season starts he stays type deal? The NHL out clause ends on December 1st. He won't be able to come back in January. I think that's around the deadline that an RFA needs to be signed to be eligible for the season anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, theo5789 said: The NHL out clause ends on December 1st. He won't be able to come back in January. I think that's around the deadline that an RFA needs to be signed to be eligible for the season anyway. oh ya thats right. like how nylander had last year. makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Defense is positioning and willingness to play defense, if you need a ton of speed it means you made a mental error and are caught out of position and need that speed to correct it. Green taught Jake how to be better defensively, if Puljujarvi is willing to learn he could learn the defensive game anywhere. Pettersson had no problem defending smaller ice. Why? Cause he is smart positionally and has a willingness to actually play some defense. So you’re saying Puljujarvi is not willing to make the effort to lean those defensive skills? Can he play defensively the right way, and still be an threat offensively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Summer is over in Edmonton, and the POOL is closed for the season. They have a pool in the mall? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, theo5789 said: The NHL out clause ends on December 1st. He won't be able to come back in January. I think that's around the deadline that an RFA needs to be signed to be eligible for the season anyway. A team could still trade for his rights after December 1, but then his value would even be lower than right now wouldn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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