shazzam Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Provost said: Decent backups can be had for well under $2 million, especially in a depressed market. Teams like Tampa are going to be giving away top 6 forwards because they Nd and afford them. Being able to eat an extra $3 million in cap during trades can get you a big return this offseason. Either a player who is an upgrade or a high pick that can be flipped for an upgrade. Teams with cap space this summer have the chance of dramatically retooling their lineup. Yeah any team that can absorb cap dumps should see very good returns the next several seasons. I think LA will be all over it. If DET's ownership wants, they can be a big time player here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Robert Long said: I'm more interested in which F now has to go from St Louis to make Pietrangelo a good offer AND fill in some minor depth. My guess is Bozak will be the one to go. I can see the Canucks getting Bozak for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Provost said: Decent backups can be had for well under $2 million, especially in a depressed market. Teams like Tampa are going to be giving away top 6 forwards because they Nd and afford them. Being able to eat an extra $3 million in cap during trades can get you a big return this offseason. Either a player who is an upgrade or a high pick that can be flipped for an upgrade. Teams with cap space this summer have the chance of dramatically retooling their lineup. So who’s the backup they could have gotten for 1-2 years that can bring what Allen brings for under $2m? Montreal has been looking for a bargain. Backup for awhile. In the last 5 years they’ve had Kinkaid, Montoya, Tokarski, Lindgren, Condon. I’m probably missing a couple. in the short term this deal does a lot of hood for a team that has been overplaying Price due to a lack of options. They haven’t spent to the cap in 3 seasons. This gives a development year to Primeau so he’s not thrown to the wolves. They still have trade chips like Domi and a crap load of picks and they still have cap space. Yes. They have a bit too much tied up in goaltending this year. But it will likely be a huge help to the team and it’s 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I can see the Canucks getting Bozak for cheap. for sure... we'd need to move Sutter first tho. I'd rather have Toffoli over Bozak as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 If Pietrangelo hits the market should we let Tanev and Stecher walk and try our luck? Edler - Myers Hughes - Pietreangelo Juolevi - Rafferty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Everyone wins this trade except Allen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, timberz21 said: Honestly, you can't based your evaluation of a player based on less than 10 games in a completely unconventional season/playoffs...and a goalie no less, being a creature of habits. IMO, Allen is nothing more than a very good, but expensive backup. He proved during his prime that he wasn't cut out to be a #1. Other than his JS Giguere type run to the cup Binnington is likely going to bounce back to a 1A type goalie in my mind. That run to the cup (Which can't be understated as it's a big achievement) people see as his norm. I think his norm is more like most of this year and the playoffs which is a solid starter or 1A. Importance of a 1B in that case can't be understated. Jake Allen never become what he was hyped to be, but he is a borderline starter. If you look at his stats they are actually very good. It turned out to be a timing thing when Allen and the Blues were at their worst in many years, Binnington came in and was the saviour. The ongoing situation will be different than that anomaly of a year, but the optics are hard to overcome, and hence Allen moves along. He could still be the better goalie for the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Good deal for St. Louis... two picks and they clear a 4.25 million contract of their books. Now they have 6 mil and a choice between resigning Jacob de la Rose, Vince Dunn and Pietrangelo. If you ask me, they've also got a big hole in net... oh and the whole uncertainty over Tarasenko's shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, shazzam said: Yeah any team that can absorb cap dumps should see very good returns the next several seasons. I think LA will be all over it. If DET's ownership wants, they can be a big time player here. That would be New Jersey, LA, Buffalo, Detroit and Ottawa... as you said, I'm not sure how much appetite Ottawa and Detroit have for it, but the Kings showed last year that they're willing to eat money to get picks back. They have 11 and 10 picks already in the next two drafts. Ottawa has a whopping 13 picks in this draft btw! Of course, our fans should stop watching 'Team Tank Porn'... those days are behind us. If we are able to get rid of Loui (extremely unlikely, he has a 15 team no trade list available to him), that would be just as exciting for us as one of those bottom feeders getting a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, CanuckinEdm said: so when does Carey Price get dealt? dont think it'll happen, although i didnt think we'd ever trade lou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Other than his JS Giguere type run to the cup Binnington is likely going to bounce back to a 1A type goalie in my mind. That run to the cup (Which can't be understated as it's a big achievement) people see as his norm. I think his norm is more like most of this year and the playoffs which is a solid starter or 1A. Importance of a 1B in that case can't be understated. Jake Allen never become what he was hyped to be, but he is a borderline starter. If you look at his stats they are actually very good. It turned out to be a timing thing when Allen and the Blues were at their worst in many years, Binnington came in and was the saviour. The ongoing situation will be different than that anomaly of a year, but the optics are hard to overcome, and hence Allen moves along. He could still be the better goalie for the next few years. The Blues kept getting horrible goaltending in the playoffs. They even traded for Ryan Miller that one year and he laid and egg as well. Binnington came in in front of stacked defense and put up great numbers when Allen struggled. It was a pretty small sample size and now you are seeing what Binnington is and that is well below average. He got hot and over confident and now he is being exposed for what he is a career backup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Trebreh said: If Pietrangelo hits the market should we let Tanev and Stecher walk and try our luck? Edler - Myers Hughes - Pietreangelo Juolevi - Rafferty Pietrangelo is probably going to cost way too much. Stanley Cup winning RHD who provides about 10 G 30/40 A per year and can anchor both a PP and PK? He's a player everyone would love to have but I just don't see a fit mainly due to the cap. The Blues need to clear even more cap space to fit Pietrangelo under their cap and they still need re-sign Dunn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Trebreh said: If Pietrangelo hits the market should we let Tanev and Stecher walk and try our luck? Edler - Myers Hughes - Pietreangelo Juolevi - Rafferty It’s not a bad idea and if we sent an asset to make Loui go away and didn’t sign Tanev/Stecher. If that was done he certainly wouldn’t be second line though. Could be: Hughes Pietrangelo Edler Rathbone Joulevi Myers couple pretty young guys but vets like Fantenberg/Benn types can step in too offset that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I look at this trade, I see the cap hit for goalies in Montreal right now. I cringe looking at what has happened to teams that have signed goalies to huge contracts in The last 5 years I really hope that Benning is paying attention to this and does not overqualify markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 How is this a good deal for montreal? That is a lot of money on goaltending. Their problem is goal scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: How is this a good deal for montreal? That is a lot of money on goaltending. Their problem is goal scoring. Their other problem was backups who couldn’t win games resulting in having to overwork Price. Causing him to be worn out. This addresses a massive problem they’ve had since they traded away Halak 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Their other problem was backups who couldn’t win games resulting in having to overwork Price. Causing him to be worn out. This addresses a massive problem they’ve had since they traded away Halak good points, just massive amount of cap on goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: good points, just massive amount of cap on goalies. Allen is only signed for 1 more year. This gives their top goaltending prospect Cayden Primeau time to develop. He’s close but not NHL ready. Next season he comes in on an ELC. The cap hit this season is somewhat inconsequential considering they haven’t spent to the cap in 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 So this means that the Blues are doubling down on Binnington? Yikes, after that playoff performance where he got outplayed by Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Just now, Dungass said: So this means that the Blues are doubling down on Binnington? Yikes, after that playoff performance where he got outplayed by Allen? Binnington won them a cup. Allen had several chances to be the #1 but faltered. They need cap space to re-sign Pietrangelo. I doubt a poor showing in a 6 game series weighed in much in the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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