BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Here....I'll use your words. So to base it on people with "symptoms" doesn't seem to quite cover it. The point is that these people who have been evacuated out are headed for quarantine for 2 weeks so it makes sense that's supported from the get go. I didn't decide this plan, the Government did. So it seems that it's a preventative measure and to breach that by allowing people off the plane (although I may have misread that) would seem kind of counter productive. To pick and chose based on observations. I believe they would be allowed to disembark to stretch their legs but would have to re-enter the plane once the re-fuelling is done. It's not like the 300 passengers are going for a quick visit to the outlet for some shopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, BPA said: I believe they would be allowed to disembark to stretch their legs but would have to re-enter the plane once the re-fuelling is done. It's not like the 300 passengers are going for a quick visit to the outlet for some shopping. Which would be totally defeating the purpose of "going into" a quarantine situation. Sort of makes it pointless. Airports are busy places....does it matter if they go to an outlet or enter an area of the airport that others would be accessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, BPA said: I believe they would be allowed to disembark to stretch their legs but would have to re-enter the plane once the re-fuelling is done. It's not like the 300 passengers are going for a quick visit to the outlet for some shopping. You don't need to disembark to re-fuel. In the old days before long range jet aircraft, refueling at airports is common for long distance travel. My parents travel from Asia in the 1950's when it was prop planes. There was 2 stops for re-fueling, Japan and Alaska, then on to Vancouver. They said they just stayed on the plane on the tarmac while re-fueling. It did not take long to re-fuel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 My point is that there have been many flight passengers among those who did not shown symptoms during the flight but afterwards. But there have been no cases (I think) that the other passengers were affected. Otherwise we would have seen a widespread epidemic by now. Think about it. This virus was first reported early Jan. There have been only a few cases outside of China. The ones in Canada turned up negative or cured. No new cases in Canada cropped up from those people spreading it inside Canada. The virus has largely remained localized in Wuhan. And will be restricted to China since they are in locked down. You guys are blowing things way out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 16 hours ago, Alflives said: Seriously Deb. This virus kills 1:100 it infects. Would you go to work on a day you knew you had 1/100 chance of dying? Of course not. People here have kids. WE naturally want to protect them. 1 out of 46, based on the numbers that Nuckin_Futz has posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) So following the first death in Hong Kong, we have 3 more new cases confirmed with the youngest being 25. All no prior travel history. Also, the brother of the first victim that died yesterday is currently missing (who is reported to have been living with the mom that is also infected and was the first confirmed case of local human-to-human infection). The victim's wife, 2 kids and domestic worker is in quarantine. So now, we've got a man running around the city in hiding from quarantine possibly infecting many others. Deadly coronavirus ‘could spread widely through Hong Kong’ as three new cases confirmed and 39-year-old man from Whampoa becomes city’s first fatality My family and I are supposed to travel back to HK in 2 weeks for my wedding reception that was booked a year ago, but now we are looking into having it postponed due to the outbreak. Edited February 4, 2020 by Kakanucks correcting information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/man-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-forces-plane-to-return-to-toronto/ar-BBZDHeY?ocid=ientp Man claiming to have coronavirus forces plane to return to Toronto . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canadians-could-begin-to-leave-wuhan-on-thursday/ar-BBZDNeV?li=AA521o&ocid=ientp Canadians coming home hopefully on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Its important to keep things in perspective here. Yes its scary, but 9,000 Canadians die from the flu every year and how many can't be bothered to get a flu shot? Some numbers to keep in mind: By the numbers: Coronavirus outbreak charted Huoshenshan Hospital construction nears completion on February 2, 2020 in Wuhan, China. The 25,000 square metre emergency specialty field hospital, with a capacity of 1000 beds, is being built to treat patients from the deadly coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan. (Stringer/Getty Images) As cases of the coronavirus mount in China and elsewhere, health officials are focused on containing its spread. The Chinese government is restricting people's movements as part of a "war of prevention of the epidemic," said President Xi Jinping. Controlling its spread in China helps protect people there and may buy time for health officials in other countries to prepare. The Public Health Agency of Canada stresses that the risk of contracting the illness in this country remains very low. Travellers returning from the affected area are asked to watch for flu-like symptoms and to call ahead before seeking health care. Officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the goal of screening travellers from the epicentre of the outbreak near Wuhan, China, is to slow the entry of the virus into the U.S. These graphics aim to put the outbreak into perspective. As the death toll rises, the recovery total does, too.The vast majority of coronavirus cases have occurred near Wuhan and surrounding cities. Less than 15 per cent of the lab-confirmed cases in China to date have caused severe health complications, like pneumonia, after infection. Many have experienced symptoms similar to the flu and don't require emergency medical attention. CBC EXPLAINS What we know (and don't know) about the new coronavirus outbreak Globally, as of Monday, there are an additional 153 cases, including one death in the Philippines, not shown in the above image. Ebola and influenza are not in the same family as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) or the 2019 coronavirus (2019-nCoV) — a temporary name for the new virus that was first detected in 2019. The other viruses are used here to put the severity of coronaviruses into perspective through comparison. Lab-confirmed flu and pneumonia-related deaths in 2018 in Canada alone are higher than those of all three coronaviruses combined. The lab-confirmed flu and pneumonia totals (shown above in grey) are not definitive. Many Canadians who become infected during any given year do not seek medical help, and therefore never get tested. VIDEO Coronavirus outbreak: Advice and misconceptions Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that includes SARS, which affected 26 countries and resulted in more than 8,000 cases in 2003. While the 2019 and SARS coronavirus seem to be closely related genetically, less is known about how transmissible and deadly the former is. "In essence, it's a version of SARS that spreads more easily but causes less damage. The virus also uses the same receptor, the door used to get into human cells, which explains transmission and why it causes pneumonia. Most encouragingly though, this indicates that treatments and vaccines developed for SARS should work," for the new virus, Ian Jones, a professor of virology at the University of Reading, wrote in an online comment. Bats and sneezing camels: A tale of two viruses To estimate how bad an outbreak could get, experts look at the case fatality rate — the proportion of deaths a disease causes within a group of people. The problem with estimating the case fatality rate early in an outbreak is that the sickest people tend to go to the hospital or a doctor's office. Those who don't show or have mild symptoms may never seek medical care and won't be counted as cases. Symptoms and potential complications of coronaviruses. (The Lancet, U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention ) Information from the first 99 patients infected in China shows most had fever and cough. Less than a third had shortness of breath. Muscle aches, confusion, headache, sore throat, runny nose and diarrhea were less commonly reported. Complications can include serious conditions such as pneumonia or kidney failure. Watch Tam talks preparedness and planning 24 hours ago 0:44 Chief Public Health Officer of Canada Theresa Tam describes how she and her colleagues have been preparing for outbreaks like the novel coronavirus. 0:44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I'd feel better about the comparisons between Corona and Flu deaths, if the flu took a year off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleJack Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Not well enough. "If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first?? Makes no sense at all. Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do. Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine? The news said last night that they wont be let off the plane in Vancouver unless they are showing symptoms and then there care would be taken over by bc health care. Still makes me a bit nervous but at least they are being quarantined and our citizens will be brought back. Also cause I am seeing this everywhere and it's annoying. People going off about the flu need to remember one important thing. There is a vaccination for the Flu there is not one for the corna virus. In reality the fact the flu kills so many is beyond stupid because there legit is a way to stop it but antivaxxers... Edited February 4, 2020 by AppleJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/5-things-more-likely-to-kill-you-in-canada-than-coronavirus/ar-BBZEg2H?li=AAggXBV&ocid=iehp For all that it’s an international public health emergency that’s killed more than 400 people (mostly in mainland China), the risk for people in Canada remains low. As of Feb. 4, nobody here has died. Globally the fatality rate is close to three per cent, which is less than SARS, which hit in 2003 and had a global fatality rate of 9.6 per cent (12.4 per cent in Canada). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/air-canada-among-airlines-cancelling-flights-to-china-over-coronavirus-fears Air Canada among airlines cancelling flights to China over coronavirus fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Second presumptive case of Wuhan coronavirus identified in B.C. Local tests came back positive, but won't be officially confirmed until the results are replicated at the National Microbiology Lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 China updates total coronavirus cases to 24,324 (from 20,438 yesterday) 490 deaths Tue 4 Feb 2020 23:54:40 GMT National Health Commission with the updated figures as of end February 4 Jan 17: 41 Jan 19: 62 Jan 20: 201 Jan 21: 291 Jan 22: 440 Jan 24: 830 Jan 25: 1,287 Jan 26: 1,975 Jan 27: 2,744 Jan 28: 5,974 Jan 29: 7,711 Jan 30: 9,692 Jan 31: 11,791 Feb 1: 14,380 (number of dead across the country 304) Feb 2: 17,205 (number of deaths 361) Feb 3: 20,438 (death toll 425) Feb 4: 24,324 total cases, 490 deaths 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 It has gone up by more every single day. Crazy stuff. Hopefully it starts to plateau in the next week or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: China updates total coronavirus cases to 24,324 (from 20,438 yesterday) 490 deaths Tue 4 Feb 2020 23:54:40 GMT National Health Commission with the updated figures as of end February 4 Jan 17: 41 Jan 19: 62 Jan 20: 201 Jan 21: 291 Jan 22: 440 Jan 24: 830 Jan 25: 1,287 Jan 26: 1,975 Jan 27: 2,744 Jan 28: 5,974 Jan 29: 7,711 Jan 30: 9,692 Jan 31: 11,791 Feb 1: 14,380 (number of dead across the country 304) Feb 2: 17,205 (number of deaths 361) Feb 3: 20,438 (death toll 425) Feb 4: 24,324 total cases, 490 deaths Try taking the 1st day and multiplying it by x10 and subsequently by x10 every other day. They wouldn't be making a big deal about it from day 1-10 if the figures were that low. Realistically total cases are probably in the 100,000s by now. These are only confirmed cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: It has gone up by more every single day. Crazy stuff. Hopefully it starts to plateau in the next week or so it wont Plateau until it gets warmer or hotter. Right now it's winter in China and the Virus can survive on cold weather but will die out in warm climate. look for this to stop spreading and hopefully come to an end closer to summer.... hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 hours ago, AppleJack said: The news said last night that they wont be let off the plane in Vancouver unless they are showing symptoms and then there care would be taken over by bc health care. Still makes me a bit nervous but at least they are being quarantined and our citizens will be brought back. Also cause I am seeing this everywhere and it's annoying. People going off about the flu need to remember one important thing. There is a vaccination for the Flu there is not one for the corna virus. In reality the fact the flu kills so many is beyond stupid because there legit is a way to stop it but antivaxxers... Flu kills more people because more people get it. The death rate for flu is .1%. The coronavirus death rate may be 2%. So if the same number of people who get the flu get the new virus, the number of deaths will be much higher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: Its important to keep things in perspective here. Yes its scary, but 9,000 Canadians die from the flu every year and how many can't be bothered to get a flu shot? Of which how many are seniors?...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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