Coronavirus outbreak

[MeanSeanBean]

My old man taught me 3 things growing up.

 

1 Always look a person in the eye. 2 Don't pull the knife towards yourself. 3 You can't fix stupid.

 

The longer I live on this rock the more right he becomes.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Shayster007

[beni]

35 minutes ago, iwtl said:

False - fake propaganda 

 

If anyone's employer says it's ok to let covid positive people just work you have the right to envooe WCB's right to refuse unsafe work. In addition report them.which can be done anonymously

 

It would require goverment orders / legislation to allow.work sites to have positive tested individuals at work during the isolation periods ( 5d or 10 ) as long as it's still considered a pandemic

 

If they did enact such changes the risk/responsibility would transfer completely to goverment. Any person who works and ends up.testing positive would be entitled to wcb coverage and employers.would be responsible.to provide safe housing so that the work hazard doesn't also extend to.the home.

 

In simple terms ... its not.happening. Once covid is deemed to be endemic they can treat it like other routine illness such as colds etc. But.not until.then

 

 

 

I'm sure planners are preparing new guidelines once it is declared an endemic....... bit there are zero reports in BC that I can find to.support that it's begun

 

 

That's not correct. They are looking at Healthcare workers who have tested positive returning to work. It's allowed in other parts of the Country already. 

 

The Healthcare workers I know are not happy to hear they are even considering it. The government screwed up big time forcing healthcare workers who were unvaccinated out of their positions. Healthcare workers were already being forced to work short handed for years. 

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8479456/bc-covid-19-positive-health-care-workers/?utm_source=GlobalBC&utm_medium=Facebook

[Sapper]

20 minutes ago, beni said:

That's not correct. They are looking at Healthcare workers who have tested positive returning to work. It's allowed in other parts of the Country already. 

 

The Healthcare workers I know are not happy to hear they are even considering it. The government screwed up big time forcing healthcare workers who were unvaccinated out of their positions. Healthcare workers were already being forced to work short handed for years. 

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8479456/bc-covid-19-positive-health-care-workers/?utm_source=GlobalBC&utm_medium=Facebook

I had listed for the original poster.that I had also seen the discussion re health workers. It isn't for all.of them and would if required be an emergency measure. RN's make up the.bulk.of specific unique trained professionals ( icu nurses for example )

 

RN's are not pleased it's being discussed 

 

No other occupations / industries are being considered. There are always contingency plans fir military and police that cover all scenarios 

 

The original..post said "workers " which isn't correct.  Some republican politicians in the states are using it as talking points but have not gone beyond using.it as such

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by iwtl

[MeanSeanBean]

18 minutes ago, beni said:

That's not correct. They are looking at Healthcare workers who have tested positive returning to work. It's allowed in other parts of the Country already. 

 

The Healthcare workers I know are not happy to hear they are even considering it. The government screwed up big time forcing healthcare workers who were unvaccinated out of their positions. Healthcare workers were already being forced to work short handed for years. 

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8479456/bc-covid-19-positive-health-care-workers/?utm_source=GlobalBC&utm_medium=Facebook

You are absolutely correct about healthcare workers being absurdly understaffed, under supported, and over worked. However, in my experience working in healthcare, the vast majority of people I know felt it was completely the right call to let those who didn't want to get the vaccine sit this one out.

 

That being said, I think it's pretty universal that people who are sick should not be going to work. That spans across all facets of the society.

[Sapper]

3 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

You are absolutely correct about healthcare workers being absurdly understaffed, under supported, and over worked. However, in my experience working in healthcare, the vast majority of people I know felt it was completely the right call to let those who didn't want to get the vaccine sit this one out.

 

That being said, I think it's pretty universal that people who are sick should not be going to work. That spans across all facets of the society.

Icu nurses.and respiratory therapists are completely burned out.

 

All health care workers.are.exhausted but for some.help.can arrive in 6-8,months ( care aides.for example )

 

Icu nurses take years to train. 

[MeanSeanBean]

2 minutes ago, iwtl said:

Icu nurses.and respiratory therapists are completely burned out.

 

All health care workers.are.exhausted but for some.help.can arrive in 6-8,months ( care aides.for example )

 

Icu nurses take years to train. 

Yes? Everything you said is correct. Not sure why this is in response to me though.

[Sapper]

2 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

Yes? Everything you said is correct. Not sure why this is in response to me though.

It's not - uts another poster who said giverments.are moving to allowing positive.workers.keep working .... in the spirit of just getting on with it

 

Of course.thats.not correct it limited to a few health professionals and only if needed.( risk of patient harm greater from.no staff then positive staff.)

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, AbbyNux said:

That must be the unvaccinated acting irresponsibly. 

 

1 hour ago, AbbyNux said:

They should be punished for not having their vaccinations.

 

1 hour ago, AbbyNux said:

No vaccinated person would be so irresponsible and wear their masks like that or not at all.

At least now we know you're nothing more than an attention seeking individual with no desire to discuss this.

 

You just want to troll.

 

Take care

[AbbyNux]

25 minutes ago, iwtl said:

It's not - uts another poster who said giverments.are moving to allowing positive.workers.keep working .... in the spirit of just getting on with it

 

Of course.thats.not correct it limited to a few health professionals and only if needed.( risk of patient harm greater from.no staff then positive staff.)

Where it starts. 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

38 minutes ago, iwtl said:

Icu nurses.and respiratory therapists are completely burned out.

 

All health care workers.are.exhausted but for some.help.can arrive in 6-8,months ( care aides.for example )

 

Icu nurses take years to train. 

If only there was a way we could prevent hospitals from being overrun with sick people while they sort this out? Oh well, maybe next time.

[Elias Pettersson]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2349896&jwsource=cl

 

Dr. Martha Fulford

Infectious Diseases Specialist at McMaster Children's Hospital and Associate Professor of Medicine at McMaster University

 

CTV reporter:

 

"I wanted to get your reactions on the incredibly sharp rise in cases we've seen over the past weeks":

 

Dr. Fulford:

 

"I think we have different narratives in terms about whether we need to worry about this or not.  Alot of the people who are testing positive of course are not sick, and this is an incredibly important message to get through.  What we have right now is a very high number of positive PCR tests, but the hospitalization rate is fairly flat as is our ICU rate, and again that's what the expectations are and so I think for the Province one of the things we need to start reporting really accurately is whether or not people are being admitted because of COVID or just with a positive test because of course everybody gets screened and anybody with screened positive is reported as an admission.  And we also have to be realistic, it's never going to be zero, it's respiratory tract season, and so for me it's always been that balanced approach.  It's time to pivot from testing every asymptomatic person in the community to focusing on how many patients are being hospitalized because they are sick with COVID because that is a very different number and a very lot less alarming number."

 

"Omicron is less severe than the other strains.  We've seen in countries with high vaccination rates and low vaccination rates that Omicron is simply not as severe.  Well you've seen in the headlines, how do know if you have a cold or if you have Omicron, the fact that you are even asking that question tells you that it is pretty mild.  Vaccines don't make a virus go away, they stop severe disease and that is the message and balance that we have to achieve in our communication."

 

"The group who will benefit the most from boosters are those who are vulnerable already, our seniors, people in congregate care settings, people with alot of comorbidities, that group for sure is going to benefit, and the additional benefit from a booster for low risk people , that's probably an individual decision on how risk adverse a person is, we certainly made them available for anyone who would like to have a booster."

 

Nowhere in the world including Canada, this is one of the good news stories around COVID, is that children themselves are very unlikely to have severe disease, and interestingly they are actually less likely to transmit it and there is alot of hypothesis for that, not that it will never happen, and so honestly the advice is the advice that we are giving all along, is that if a person is unwell, they have symptoms, that person should stay home and that person should stay away from small children.  If a person is a high risk adult that person maybe wants to take more precautions with where they go out and about, but again it's that balance about how do we ameliorate that risk of COVID to our high risk population with actually everything else that we need to get on with and do as a society because it's not COVID versus nothing, it's COVID versus health and well being and every other aspect of our physical health, our mental health, our social health, and that's the balance we're all trying to struggle to find at the moment."

 

"For kids, we can't keep isolating children, that's just profoundly harmful to our kids and it's a balance we do have to find".

[bolt]

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2349896&jwsource=cl

 

Dr. Martha Fulford

Infectious Diseases Specialist at McMaster Children's Hospital and Associate Professor of Medicine at McMaster University

 

CTV reporter:

 

"I wanted to get your reactions on the incredibly sharp rise in cases we've seen over the past weeks":

 

Dr. Fulford:

 

"I think we have different narratives in terms about whether we need to worry about this or not.  Alot of the people who are testing positive of course are not sick, and this is an incredibly important message to get through.  What we have right now is a very high number of positive PCR tests, but the hospitalization rate is fairly flat as is our ICU rate, and again that's what the expectations are and so I think for the Province one of the things we need to start reporting really accurately is whether or not people are being admitted because of COVID or just with a positive test because of course everybody gets screened and anybody with screened positive is reported as an admission.  And we also have to be realistic, it's never going to be zero, it's respiratory tract season, and so for me it's always been that balanced approach.  It's time to pivot from testing every asymptomatic person in the community to focusing on how many patients are being hospitalized because they are sick with COVID because that is a very different number and a very lot less alarming number."

 

"Omicron is less severe than the other strains.  We've seen in countries with high vaccination rates and low vaccination rates that Omicron is simply not as severe.  Well you've seen in the headlines, how do know if you have a cold or if you have Omicron, the fact that you are even asking that question tells you that it is pretty mild.  Vaccines don't make a virus go away, they stop severe disease and that is the message and balance that we have to achieve in our communication."

 

"The group who will benefit the most from boosters are those who are vulnerable already, our seniors, people in congregate care settings, people with alot of comorbidities, that group for sure is going to benefit, and the additional benefit from a booster for low risk people , that's probably an individual decision on how risk adverse a person is, we certainly made them available for anyone who would like to have a booster."

 

Nowhere in the world including Canada, this is one of the good news stories around COVID, is that children themselves are very unlikely to have severe disease, and interestingly they are actually less likely to transmit it and there is alot of hypothesis for that, not that it will never happen, and so honestly the advice is the advice that we are giving all along, is that if a person is unwell, they have symptoms, that person should stay home and that person should stay away from small children.  If a person is a high risk adult that person maybe wants to take more precautions with where they go out and about, but again it's that balance about how do we ameliorate that risk of COVID to our high risk population with actually everything else that we need to get on with and do as a society because it's not COVID versus nothing, it's COVID versus health and well being and every other aspect of our physical health, our mental health, our social health, and that's the balance we're all trying to struggle to find at the moment."

 

"For kids, we can't keep isolating children, that's just profoundly harmful to our kids and it's a balance we do have to find".

Can't spread the virus if vaccinated (especially if you're boosted) and there is still one person in the ICU under 40 so the boosters are necessary.  Also, push up the booster program every 4 months since reports come out that they lose efficiency after 10 weeks. 

[D.B Cooper]

What a thread.  
Why do you all keep talking this this obvious goof?   

[AbbyNux]

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2349896&jwsource=cl

 

Dr. Martha Fulford

Infectious Diseases Specialist at McMaster Children's Hospital and Associate Professor of Medicine at McMaster University

 

CTV reporter:

 

"I wanted to get your reactions on the incredibly sharp rise in cases we've seen over the past weeks":

 

Dr. Fulford:

 

"I think we have different narratives in terms about whether we need to worry about this or not.  Alot of the people who are testing positive of course are not sick, and this is an incredibly important message to get through.  What we have right now is a very high number of positive PCR tests, but the hospitalization rate is fairly flat as is our ICU rate, and again that's what the expectations are and so I think for the Province one of the things we need to start reporting really accurately is whether or not people are being admitted because of COVID or just with a positive test because of course everybody gets screened and anybody with screened positive is reported as an admission.  And we also have to be realistic, it's never going to be zero, it's respiratory tract season, and so for me it's always been that balanced approach.  It's time to pivot from testing every asymptomatic person in the community to focusing on how many patients are being hospitalized because they are sick with COVID because that is a very different number and a very lot less alarming number."

 

"Omicron is less severe than the other strains.  We've seen in countries with high vaccination rates and low vaccination rates that Omicron is simply not as severe.  Well you've seen in the headlines, how do know if you have a cold or if you have Omicron, the fact that you are even asking that question tells you that it is pretty mild.  Vaccines don't make a virus go away, they stop severe disease and that is the message and balance that we have to achieve in our communication."

 

"The group who will benefit the most from boosters are those who are vulnerable already, our seniors, people in congregate care settings, people with alot of comorbidities, that group for sure is going to benefit, and the additional benefit from a booster for low risk people , that's probably an individual decision on how risk adverse a person is, we certainly made them available for anyone who would like to have a booster."

 

Nowhere in the world including Canada, this is one of the good news stories around COVID, is that children themselves are very unlikely to have severe disease, and interestingly they are actually less likely to transmit it and there is alot of hypothesis for that, not that it will never happen, and so honestly the advice is the advice that we are giving all along, is that if a person is unwell, they have symptoms, that person should stay home and that person should stay away from small children.  If a person is a high risk adult that person maybe wants to take more precautions with where they go out and about, but again it's that balance about how do we ameliorate that risk of COVID to our high risk population with actually everything else that we need to get on with and do as a society because it's not COVID versus nothing, it's COVID versus health and well being and every other aspect of our physical health, our mental health, our social health, and that's the balance we're all trying to struggle to find at the moment."

 

"For kids, we can't keep isolating children, that's just profoundly harmful to our kids and it's a balance we do have to find".

Conspiracy Theories

[JM_]

43 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

What a thread.  
Why do you all keep talking this this obvious goof?   

I think because its hard for a lot of people to watch these guys (actually probably just' guy') keep spreading misinformation that an younger or less experienced person might think makes sense.

 

The folks that spread this stuff are sick puppies, they get off on hoping someone get sick. 

[-DLC-]

 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

 

good for Doug. I don't agree with a lot of his politics but I can really respect that he makes the right decisions a lot of the time even when it means alienating his base. Can you imagine how much better the US would be if conservatives there followed Fords lead?

 

[D.B Cooper]

49 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I think because its hard for a lot of people to watch these guys (actually probably just' guy') keep spreading misinformation that an younger or less experienced person might think makes sense.

 

The folks that spread this stuff are sick puppies, they get off on hoping someone get sick. 

Yeah I get that, but this un named person, and most with the same message, come off as such dummies that even undeveloped children would see this and right away think ‘I think there is something wrong with the dude’.  
 

 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, -DLC- said:

 

We had a Sunday staff meeting yesterday as we get ready to come back.........the prevailing thought was that we are using this next week to prepare for virtual learning.  It sounds like our district is fully expecting every school to close down for ten days due to staff shortages.  They're not closing down across the board, but by individual school as outbreaks occur.

 

 

[King Heffy]

56 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

Yeah I get that, but this un named person, and most with the same message, come off as such dummies that even undeveloped children would see this and right away think ‘I think there is something wrong with the dude’.  
 

 

Sadly, we're seeing firsthand how gullible many are.  It's necessary to call them out because of this.

 

Working from home for 2 weeks as per the CEO of my work.  I guess he's overreacting and needs to do more research too.