wallstreetamigo Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, HOFsedins said: TBH I wouldn't say those 2 contracts are overpayments... I think it's a little unfair to say he is a liar or delusional when the media and fans don't have any internal sources or any of the inside groundwork that may be going on. All we can see are the numbers and contracts that are available to us and make a assumption based on that. Since you responded to me while I was writing that, it would be rude not to answer. I will keep it short. Dollars, term, ntc, and expansion protection for an 11 point forward. 4 plus million for a backup who has been a seive. I disagree. Its not unfair. He is one or the other. Nothing in his bungling of the cap situation in previous years should inspire any confidence he has any cards up his sleeve here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: For every example you give with a pre covid market value bent, there is one of a contract signed for a player like Pearson at far below those values in the covid reality. Funny but we've given loads of examples, including a few post Covid... You've provided.. 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Nobody should care what Pearson would have gotten pre covid. Again its just a weak attempt to rationalize Bennings moves. An 11 point declining top 6 player would not get anywhere near that contract as a UFA now. Well you better let all the agents know lol because they're surely using then as comparables. 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Like anything its not an all or nothing scenario. Benning is not the only GM who signs dumb contracts of course. But Benning has signed more of them than almost any GM I can think of. Hyperbolic, conjecture... 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: The Canucks will likely never get to true contender status with Benning and Weisbrod running the show. Even if you think Benning is a good GM (which I dont) its obvious the team needs a GM who is much better at contracts in a flat cap era. Hand in hand that GM needs to also overhaul pro scouting because this many misses is not a coincidence. ...and more hyperbolic conjecture... You don't like Miller? Hamonic? Schmidt? Hell even overpaid.. Sutter and Beagle are good players for their roles. 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Thats my point though. Veteran players are being waived. Teams waive players for different reasons but that certainly includes to recapture some cap space and/or to get better, cheaper players on their roster. Just like we've done and will continue to do... Cool. 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: The league is definitely trending younger. Signing a bunch of veterans for their leadership or other such intangibles that mask a players actual on ice skill is the most overestimated factor by many. One or two sure. But like 7 or 8? By all means you need some key, contributing youth but I suggest you do some research of the age most players are on contending teams. It ain't early 20's. 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFsedins Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Since you responded to me while I was writing that, it would be rude not to answer. I will keep it short. Dollars, term, ntc, and expansion protection for an 11 point forward. 4 plus million for a backup who has been a seive. I disagree. Its not unfair. He is one or the other. Nothing in his bungling of the cap situation in previous years should inspire any confidence he has any cards up his sleeve here. A lot of players are having down years. So to label Pearson a 11 point player with the contract he just signed just doesn't make sense. I get it, you don't like the contract. As for Holtby, I noticed you labelled him as a 4 plus million backup after the fact. How did you honestly feel when we signed him last summer? Look I get your frustration, there are alota people who don't like the Pearson signing but i'm just saying the signing isn't as bad as it seems. As for the latter, I think most of us all thought that was a decent signing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: If they have to lose Gaudette or Lind as a result of having to protect Pearson then it could be a big deal. Its also fair to ask why he couldnt have simply waited to sign this deal until after the expansion draft. Why the urgency to do it now? I guess I want a GM who will take every advantage of the system within the rules. Benning constantly shoots the team in the foot though. Its unlikely Seattle was going to take Pearson as a UFA. Maybe but really if they did who cares? It would mean the Canucks can keep both Gaudette and Lind who probably could both be signed for less combined than Pearson is getting paid. Its frustrating to me that the Canucks and Benning fans keep expecting young stars to sign at discounts or bridge deals while overpaying for depth guys. I worry about the message that sends. It's how the system works, no matter how Dubas tried to change it with his second contracts. Players who make it to their UFA deals are good enough to warrant a nice deal. Pearson's deal is a fair, flat cap, UFA deal. Middle six guy who can hold the fort in the top six when needed, still in his prime years albeit the latter ones. As far as should we have signed him that's another debate, and yes for sure some validity to it but it's far from the end of the world. AG might not work out (50/50 at best), and Lind hasn't had a proper try out yet. Not sure Pearson will get protected either so that's a worry for another day. As far as EP and QHs goes, 22-26 cap is enough cap space to sign them both long term or to bridge deals. Possibly a buyout and a trade might be required...i don't know. Am willing to wait and see without overly criticizing the deal as we don't have all the data. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 39 minutes ago, IBatch said: It's how the system works, no matter how Dubas tried to change it with his second contracts. Players who make it to their UFA deals are good enough to warrant a nice deal. Pearson's deal is a fair, flat cap, UFA deal. Middle six guy who can hold the fort in the top six when needed, still in his prime years albeit the latter ones. As far as should we have signed him that's another debate, and yes for sure some validity to it but it's far from the end of the world. AG might not work out (50/50 at best), and Lind hasn't had a proper try out yet. Not sure Pearson will get protected either so that's a worry for another day. As far as EP and QHs goes, 22-26 cap is enough cap space to sign them both long term or to bridge deals. Possibly a buyout and a trade might be required...i don't know. Am willing to wait and see without overly criticizing the deal as we don't have all the data. Take your rational thinking to some other discussion board 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 hours ago, HOFsedins said: Look I get your frustration, there are alota people who don't like the Pearson signing but i'm just saying the signing isn't as bad as it seems. As another poster pointed out earlier the average salary in the NHL is 3 million. It's insane to think that people are losing their minds over a perennial 40 point player getting 250k more than the league average. Also hilarious to hear crying about the NTC. It's a one year full NTC, nobody trades a player they just signed anyways. Some people just have to cling to anything they can to justify their opinions. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: Since you responded to me while I was writing that, it would be rude not to answer. I will keep it short. Dollars, term, ntc, and expansion protection for an 11 point forward. 4 plus million for a backup who has been a seive. I disagree. Its not unfair. He is one or the other. Nothing in his bungling of the cap situation in previous years should inspire any confidence he has any cards up his sleeve here. Yes nothing. Hamonic. Schmidt. Myers (sorry complainers this is a fair to team friendly deal, he's done everything and more then expected of a blue chip all around RHD and has the stats to back it up), Miller, Horvat, BB, Demko, Benn...He's got one big whiff in LE. JV isn't done yet, too early to know for sure but maybe him, and Bear simply because he's not playing (at the time nobody was complaining about this deal). Our cap issues are temporary. Sure he could blow it all on one guy like he did with LE so get the trepidation, but his payments are grossly exaggerated compared to the other teams middle and bottom six players. Compare apples to apples. Guys on ELCs and vets last year or two before retiring going for the cup don't count. Could be a lot worse, isn't Pearson outperforming first line Jamie Benn lol. Good grief. Anyone who's lamenting this much doesn't look at other teams lineups much, and focuses only on our team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, coryberg said: As another poster pointed out earlier the average salary in the NHL is 3 million. It's insane to think that people are losing their minds over a perennial 40 point player getting 250k more than the league average. Also hilarious to hear crying about the NTC. It's a one year full NTC, nobody trades a player they just signed anyways. Some people just have to cling to anything they can to justify their opinions. And some people hate on the team constantly no matter what happens. There are four posters that come to mind. Pearson is a 28 year old UFA. Who won a cup and averages close to .5 PGP... LW too, something our team lacks ... good for 15-20 goals in a full season, and doesn't hurt you on the other side of the puck, and a cup winner/champion. Personally i didn't want to re-sign him, but it's silly to deny he hasn't earned a covid flat cap deal like this one. He's the loser here really, in normal times the cap would be 86-90 million after this season, 5% increase is on the low side too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I think fans are just upset with the status quo. Canucks are neither sellers or buyers this trade deadline. Stuck in mediocrity. This season appears to be a write off (yeah we still have a slim chance of making the playoffs). We will see what happens in the expansion draft and the offseason. Needless to say a few bad contracts/players are hampering Canucks from being a contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BPA said: I think fans are just upset with the status quo. Canucks are neither sellers or buyers this trade deadline. Stuck in mediocrity. Any push out of 'mediocrity' was always going to come, largely from within. Quote Needless to say a few bad contracts/players are hampering Canucks from being a contender. They really aren't. Pettersson and Hughes need to actually get in to their actual primes for us to be considered contenders. Never mind guys like Hoglander, Podkolzin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Lind, Woo etc, etc (most of whom still need to arrive at the NHL level, never mind get some miles on them at this level). We're simply not there yet, and no, 'bad contracts' aren't what's stopping us from getting there. Honestly, the only youth (not guys like Miller, Schmidt etc) that's ready to contend on this team team is Horvat and Boeser (and Boeser only JUST this year). The rest of our youth need to catch up on the miles/years/experience/strength/training that Boeser JUST got to this year for us to become 'contenders'. You then complement/support that and fill holes via UFA and trade. Having another $5m or whatever of cap space this summer was never going to miraculously turn a bunch of young kids, not remotely in their primes, in to a contender. Edited April 12, 2021 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Yes nothing. Hamonic. Schmidt. Myers (sorry complainers this is a fair to team friendly deal, he's done everything and more then expected of a blue chip all around RHD and has the stats to back it up), Miller, Horvat, BB, Demko, Benn...He's got one big whiff in LE. JV isn't done yet, too early to know for sure but maybe him, and Bear simply because he's not playing (at the time nobody was complaining about this deal). Our cap issues are temporary. Sure he could blow it all on one guy like he did with LE so get the trepidation, but his payments are grossly exaggerated compared to the other teams middle and bottom six players. Compare apples to apples. Guys on ELCs and vets last year or two before retiring going for the cup don't count. Could be a lot worse, isn't Pearson outperforming first line Jamie Benn lol. Good grief. Anyone who's lamenting this much doesn't look at other teams lineups much, and focuses only on our team. Pearson also has as many goals as Eichel, Okposo and Hall combined....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 In my 11 years on here, I haven't seen a re-signing thread reach this long. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: In my 11 years on here, I haven't seen a re-signing thread reach this long. CDC has become a schadenfreude farm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just gonna leave this right here.... 27 year old 40 point forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, coryberg said: Just gonna leave this right here.... 27 year old 40 point forward. I'm not sure what you're getting at here... By age 27 iafallo has 1 40 pt season His contract is 4x4 By age 27 (hes now 28) Pearson had 3 40 pt seasons His contract is 3.25x3 Are you praising the deal benning got? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: I'm not sure what you're getting at here... By age 27 iafallo has 1 40 pt season His contract is 4x4 By age 27 (hes now 28) Pearson had 3 40 pt seasons His contract is 3.25x3 Are you praising the deal benning got? Exactly what he's doing. There's now loads of comparables from before and now after Covid clearly showing Benning in no way 'overpaid' for Pearson. A lot of crow to go around to the usual, clueless suspects. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, aGENT said: Exactly what he's doing. There's now loads of comparables from before and now after Covid clearly showing Benning in no way 'overpaid' for Pearson. A lot of crow to go around to the usual, clueless suspects. Okay good. I agree with that. I thought he was trying to bash the contract lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 MEDIA | Tanner Pearson Media Following Contact Extension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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73 Percent Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Amazing how quiet this thread is after all the similar deals recently... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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