2021 Training Camp Thread

[48MPHSlapShot]

1 hour ago, RWJC said:

With regard to vitriolic responses, that’s not the case either. I’m just tired of and bored with the folks who can’t seem to balance the good with the bad and instead use their own negative projections to taint what actually is a very promising time for the team. 

This is CDC, man. There's no "balance" here. Unless it's something so glaringly apparent like Loui Player Name's performance that it can't be ignored, any opinion that isn't completely positive is normally dogpiled on. 

 

Or perhaps you're referring to me as some who can't "balance" the good and the bad, in which case I would suggest going over my posts before jumping to those types of conclusions. I'm generally quite positive, or at the very least balanced. But there are quite a few things happening right now that worry me, and I'm not going to be bullied into keeping quiet. Hughes will likely be on the roster sooner rather than later, but what's happening with Hamonic is likely going to result in him not being available to us and possibly even being waived, which creates a huge hole on the blueline. What makes it even worse is that, in addition to one of our better defensive Ds not  being available, 2 of our best defensive forwards don't look like they'll be available to us either. You can disagree all you want, but to handwaving it away as baseless negativity is dishonest.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, RakuRaku said:

I keep hearing a lot of great stuff about Klimovich.. Does he have a shot at making the big club at all given injuries??

I would be shocked if he makes it.  Coming into the camp I would've been surprised if he made the AHL team and was expecting Danny (is that his most logical nickname?) in QJHL. 

 

The fact that he is making a strong case for AHL is pretty surprising.  I think reporters are zeroing in on his flashy skills though, his fundamentals might be a couple of years away at least if he keeps improving. 

 

Just my opinion based on everything that's been published about him. 

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, -Moose said:

Probably nothing to worry about. I dont think teams will be too focused on our tweener prospects

Teams pick up “tweener” prospects all the time.

 

Especially teams looking for size. He definitely gets picked up by a rebuilding team. Players with his toolbox are worth taking a flyer on.

 

Benning won’t lose Lind and Gadjovich in one offseason. He’s traded away too many picks to also start losing prospects that are close.

[4petesake]

2 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I would be shocked if he makes it.  Coming into the camp I would've been surprised if he made the AHL team and was expecting Danny (is that his most logical nickname?) in QJHL. 

 

The fact that he is making a strong case for AHL is pretty surprising.  I think reporters are zeroing in on his flashy skills though, his fundamentals might be a couple of years away at least if he keeps improving. 

 

Just my opinion based on everything that's been published about him. 

He looked much further ahead than I thought he’d be but it’d still be a real stretch to see him make the big club. I’ll be happy to see him play in Abby though because he’s slick with the puck, has a nice shot and looks really engaged. Looks like a good learner too.

[Elias Pettersson]

13 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Well good thing he’s having a good camp so far.

 

Doubt they risk losing him if he’s close. Can’t afford to lose young cheap players. Especially ones with size and grit that can score.

I don’t think he would clear waivers.  If he can skate then he’s a perfect fit on the 4th line. With Sutter out and maybe Motte as well they should be able to keep him on the roster at least for the short term to see how well he can play. 
 

I think Gadjovich is going to be a player. His only downside was his skating. Looks like he has NHL wheels now.  I prefer him over Kole Lind. 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Well good thing he’s having a good camp so far.

 

Doubt they risk losing him if he’s close. Can’t afford to lose young cheap players. Especially ones with size and grit that can score.

That would be big for the composition of our team.  

 

We will have to play teams like Calgary and Vegas a lot this year, and it won't be easy to matchup with their goons.  If Gadjovich doesn't make it, then I think it's almost a certainty that MacEwen starts in the top 13.  

 

Not sure if we can get away with both MacEwen and Gadjovich in the lineup...  maybe without Elias and if they beat out guys like DiGiuseppe, Highmore, etc...  

 

1 through 8 are pretty much guaranteed: Boeser, Horvat, Dickinson, Garland, Podkolzin, JT Miller, Hoglander, and Pearson.  

 

9 through 13 now get very interesting with Elias, Sutter ,Bailey, and Motte unavailable.  

 

Highmore, MacEwen, Gadjovich and Lockwood will have the inside track having already played for Green last year.  Di Giuseppe and Nic Petan have tons of NHL experience, comparatively speaking, and so should be just as much in the mix if not more then the four players that I just mentioned.  

 

I suspect that five out of those six players will fill slots 9 through 13 on our forward list.  Starting with all of Gadjovich, MacEwen and Di Giuseppe (plus counting for Podz and Dickie) would make us a very big team up front for once.  Who knows how well they would do with keeping the puck out of our net. 

 

 

[RWJC]

13 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

This is CDC, man. There's no "balance" here. Unless it's something so glaringly apparent like Loui Player Name's performance that it can't be ignored, any opinion that isn't completely positive is normally dogpiled on. 

 

Or perhaps you're referring to me as some who can't "balance" the good and the bad, in which case I would suggest going over my posts before jumping to those types of conclusions. I'm generally quite positive, or at the very least balanced. But there are quite a few things happening right now that worry me, and I'm not going to be bullied into keeping quiet. Hughes will likely be on the roster sooner rather than later, but what's happening with Hamonic is likely going to result in him not being available to us and possibly even being waived, which creates a huge hole on the blueline. What makes it even worse is that, in addition to one of our better defensive Ds not  being available, 2 of our best defensive forwards don't look like they'll be available to us either. You can disagree all you want, but to handwaving it away as baseless negativity is dishonest.

First off, no one’s bullying anyone. You are totally entitled to your opinions and if you are indeed generally positive or balanced as you mention, then kudos! Seriously, no joke. It’s far more constructive than the constant, redundant critiquing by some posters. 

But you chose to voice that opinion on a public message board and so it’s only fair people are allowed to comment on your statements. Again, you’re not being bullied, nor should anyone feel the need to coddle.

 

All I’m saying is it’s day 2 of camp! No one really knows what’s up with Hamonic so it’s pointless to speculate.

Hughes will be returning. 
We have solid NHL experience on the back end:

 

Myers: 758

OEL: 769

Schenn: 797

Poolman: 120

Hunt: 191

 

Add in an emerging Rathbone, or OJ, plus Hamonic when/if he returns (or whomever is brought in from elsewhere  to replace him. Plus, we have added a new D coach with a strong pedigree.

it ain’t so bad.

 

With the new additions and improvements at F, Sutter’s mins would likely be sheltered anyway and he’d be used for defensive faceoffs and PK. We brought in Dickinson to play those minutes and take over that role. It’s his time.

 

Motte will be missed, but how do you also expect to find valuable minutes for guys like Hoglander, Podz, Garland, and to an extent guys like Pearson? These “losses” you are so worried about are actually creating opportunity for our other players and for our future. We have depth and that needs to be explored.

 

I just don’t understand your concern, that’s all. Its a little premature, imho. 

I’d say just try and enjoy that we have hockey back, that it’s an exciting time, and that you’re healthy enough to be able to the follow the team during the time of a pandemic. Be thankful, ya know?

[RWJC]

49 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Teams pick up “tweener” prospects all the time.

 

Especially teams looking for size. He definitely gets picked up by a rebuilding team. Players with his toolbox are worth taking a flyer on.

 

Benning won’t lose Lind and Gadjovich in one offseason. He’s traded away too many picks to also start losing prospects that are close.

 

nailed it. 

[Viper007]

Everybody was worried when Markstrom was put on the waiver wire, and he went through.  If Gadjovich is put on the waiver wire, I have a feeling he will get through also.  A lot of players are put on the waiver wire to send down to the AHL affiliates at the beginning of the season.  Most teams like their own prospects and will give them a chance before picking somebody else's up.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

3 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

I just thought it was a little ridiculous to say a guy looks completely lost out there in 4:55 of ice time… thats a little quick to jump to an assumption. Maybe the guy has been sitting around a bit? Hasnt seen much game action the past 2 years. Sat on the taxi squad for a bit. Played 19 games in the A last season and 38 the season prior? Dont you think you’re being a little overly critical of a guy who hasnt played a full game let alone a period worth of shifts?

 

The comment about the instigator penalty in a game when we are already out of playoffs? Seriously dude? Like really?? You dont give a kid any credit for stepping up and dropping the mitts in his debut, some fan you are bud.

now where did i leave my give a ****, I can't see anything around here your ego's blocking my point of view. have a spectacular night mr.man

[buddhahoodlum]

One good thing to come out of this bag skate and the utter morons harping on Olli's conditioning- I'm finding out who the idiotic tools are and am able to put them on ignore early. 

[NHL97OneTimer]

2 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I would be shocked if he makes it.  Coming into the camp I would've been surprised if he made the AHL team and was expecting Danny (is that his most logical nickname?) in QJHL. 

 

The fact that he is making a strong case for AHL is pretty surprising.  I think reporters are zeroing in on his flashy skills though, his fundamentals might be a couple of years away at least if he keeps improving. 

 

Just my opinion based on everything that's been published about him. 

Whether he makes it or not, I'm pretty psyched that he's impressing already.  Definitely looks like a steal at this point.  I love how JB says, "naah, I don't need a first round pick......I'll get my first rounder in the second round".

[kenhodgejr]

If Nic Petan is the best player during training camp does he make the team? How good does he have to be to make the team? He is ideally a top 6 guy. Could he bump Horvat? 

 

Hoglander Pettersson Boeser

Miller Petan Garland 

Pearson Horvat Podkozlin
Di Giseppe Dickenson Lockwood 

[allegend]

Woo has looked good in training camp so far. He not only gave Podz a good hit on Thursday, 

but he backchecked and knocked down his buddy Rathbone in Friday's scrimmage. A few

seconds later, JG scored.

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, Viper007 said:

Everybody was worried when Markstrom was put on the waiver wire, and he went through.  If Gadjovich is put on the waiver wire, I have a feeling he will get through also.  A lot of players are put on the waiver wire to send down to the AHL affiliates at the beginning of the season.  Most teams like their own prospects and will give them a chance before picking somebody else's up.

With Motte and potentially Sutter out to start there’s as many as 4 spots up for grabs.

 

I see there being a battle between Lockwood and Highmore for one spot. Then we’ll see Chaisson, Gadjovich, MacEwan and potentially Bailey battling for the next three spots.

 

There’s lots of opportunity for Gadj to make it. Even if he just has an above average camp he should be on the opening roster.

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by DeNiro

[Viper007]

2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

With Motte and potentially Sutter out to start there’s as many as 4 spots up for grabs.

 

I see there being a battle between Lockwood and Highmore for one spot. Then we’ll see Chaisson, Gadjovich, MacEwan and potentially Bailey battling for the next three spots.

 

There’s lots of opportunity for Gadj to make it. Even if he just has an above average camp he should be on the opening roster.

 

There maybe 4 spots, but for Gadj it's only 2.  He's not going to be the 13th forward, it's better for him to play games.  He's not a centreman, so that leaves 2 spots.  If he plays well enough and takes Motte's spot while he's injured.  That might change the conversation a little bit.  If he plays the start of the season and shows well, when Motte comes back, most likely he will be sent down to make room.  In this case, there is a bigger chance that Gadjovich would get picked up. 

 

But if he gets sent down with all the other teams waiver players, I believe he has a good chance of clearing.

[Viper007]

18 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said:

If Nic Petan is the best player during training camp does he make the team? How good does he have to be to make the team? He is ideally a top 6 guy. Could he bump Horvat? 

 

Hoglander Pettersson Boeser

Miller Petan Garland 

Pearson Horvat Podkozlin
Di Giseppe Dickenson Lockwood 

He has to be the best player after the exhibition games to even have a chance to make the team.  Highly unlikely.  Especially since veterans just go through exhibition to not get hurt, getting ready to start the regular season, trying to get some game action/timing down.  

[spook007]

12 hours ago, Qwags said:

A Bear, a Giraffe, and a Hog.

Yeah we like our animals in Vancouver

[Ghostsof1915]

This is what bugs me about Woo. Everyone was writing him off from the get go. He's been maturing, and learning like you want to see in a prospect. 

Isn't it nice for a change to see our prospects blossoming? 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Viper007 said:

There maybe 4 spots, but for Gadj it's only 2.  He's not going to be the 13th forward, it's better for him to play games.  He's not a centreman, so that leaves 2 spots.  If he plays well enough and takes Motte's spot while he's injured.  That might change the conversation a little bit.  If he plays the start of the season and shows well, when Motte comes back, most likely he will be sent down to make room.  In this case, there is a bigger chance that Gadjovich would get picked up. 

 

But if he gets sent down with all the other teams waiver players, I believe he has a good chance of clearing.

He’s played 3 seasons in the AHL and put up a point a game last season. He has nothing left to prove in that league.

 

He needs to be given a shot with the big club now. His mix of size skill and grit are just too good to give up on.

 

Losing him on waivers in order to give MacEwan or Bailey a spot would be beyond idiotic. Those two were given shots and would 100% clear waivers.

 

With Sutter out Miller can move to center and Dickinson can take the 4th line. I think we saw Green playing with that idea in practice.

 

Hoglander Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Podkolzin 

Chiasson Miller Garland 

Gadjovich Dickinson Lockwood/Highmore