King Heffy Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Timråfan said: Benning has experts in every area so the GM bit is more to handle people all around and Benning has his flaws there. Look at Anaheim and Chicago for teams that have issues with people handling. Benning at least listens to his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Meanwhile, over at HFBoards: I know it’s a much more critical group over there, but 98.6% calling for Benning’s immediate firing is higher than I ever expected to see, even for HFBoards. Wonder how a similar CDC poll would look right now? Would that be the same 70 that was standing with banners in front of Rodgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, spook007 said: Wrong... for all the faults Benning has, this is NOT one of them... Petey as one example is exactly that. From Hammarström to Delorme… The only thing Benning decides if it’s gonna be Petey or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 There's $&!#posting and then there's $&!# posting This is $&!# posting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Look at Anaheim and Chicago for teams that have issues with people handling. Benning at least listens to his staff. Wich staff? Isn’t staff being circumsized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Petey as one example is exactly that. From Hammarström to Delorme… The only thing Benning decides if it’s gonna be Petey or not. Benning probably does more scouting than any other GM in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Look at Anaheim and Chicago for teams that have issues with people handling. Benning at least listens to his staff. He along with FA get/got rid of anyone that isn’t a yes man. gilman linden bracket. He listens as long as you agree with what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, combover said: He along with FA get/got rid of anyone that isn’t a yes man. gilman linden bracket. He listens as long as you agree with what he says. Which is why he took Pettersson when apparently he wanted Glass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted November 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Wich staff? Isn’t staff being circumsized? Well if that's happening without their consent, I would certainly have a problem with that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Well if that's happening without their consent, I would certainly have a problem with that. wasn't that on an episode of Peaky Blinders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Which is why he took Pettersson when apparently he wanted Glass? Jb wanted glass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 hours ago, DefCon1 said: I would not be able to GM but I would not be worst than Green in coaching...thats a fact I wouldn't openingly talk about trading for PK. I just saved Aqua coin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, spook007 said: Benning probably does more scouting than any other GM in the league... Petey isn’t a proof of that and all the talk of a deep prospect pool has vanished. And why would a guy that should be focused on other things spend his time scouting? A leader should trust his scouts. Edited November 13, 2021 by Timråfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) On 11/12/2021 at 12:11 PM, Timråfan said: Even you could Please enlight me on what areas the ”team” with the Canucks couldn’t do the same with or without Benning. The scouts scouts the same players. Benning just agrees or disagrees with his advocers. Nothing more.. 17 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Petey isn’t a proof of that and all the talk of a deep prospect pool has vanished. And why would a guy that should be focused on other things spend his time scouting? A leader should trust his scouts. Firstly, i could care less about, who scouted petey... Secondly, that was not the question... Benning doesn't just agree or disagree with his advisers... He does more scouting than any other GM. Thirdly, deep prospect pool... What do you expect, when the last couple of first and a few second rounders have been used to improve the team... I think its fair to say a large proportion of our players have been drafted by Benning. If the team had started, like most of us thought they would, there would be ample time to restock the cupboard. over the next couple of years. And finally, just because he becomes a manager, doesn't mean he should give up on, what made him the candidate in the first place... Seen this argument before, and think its rubbish... as long as the time scouting doesn't interfere with other aspects of his job. Edited November 13, 2021 by spook007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, spook007 said: Firstly, i could care less about, who scouted petey... Secondly, that was not the question... Benning doesn't just agree or disagree with his advisers... He does more scouting than any other GM. Thirdly, deep prospect pool... What do you expect, when the last couple of first and a few second rounders have been used to improve the team... I think its fair to say a large proportion of our players have been drafted by Benning. If the team had started, like most of us thought they would, there would be ample time to restock the cupboard. over the next couple of years. And finally, just because he becomes a manager, doesn't mean he should give up on, what made him the candidate in the first place... Seen this argument before, and think its rubbish... as long as the time scouting doesn't interfere with other aspects of his job. Benning is hired to deal with everything needed. Why do you think scouting is anything close to his top ten list? This is something you fans should rethink what the GM do. He has the final say about wich prospects get drafted etc but why in gods name should he spend time scouting himself? He has so much to do and so little time. He has a lot of people hired to do the clubs business. This mean he just look so the people under him do what they should do and hire the right people, par example Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Benning is hired to deal with everything needed. Why do you think scouting is anything close to his top ten list? This is something you fans should rethink what the GM do. He has the final say about wich prospects get drafted etc but why in gods name should he spend time scouting himself? He has so much to do and so little time. He has a lot of people hired to do the clubs business. This mean he just look so the people under him do what they should do and hire the right people, par example Green. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing... Why on earth should he not, when he has the final say? How can you have the final say, if you don't have a clue? It'll be like making a shoemaker bank manager, cause it doesn't matter if he knows anything about what he's managing... If he has an eye for a player, he would want to see for himself, if what the scouts suggests are indeed, what he is looking for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Benning is hired to deal with everything needed. Why do you think scouting is anything close to his top ten list? This is something you fans should rethink what the GM do. He has the final say about wich prospects get drafted etc but why in gods name should he spend time scouting himself? He has so much to do and so little time. He has a lot of people hired to do the clubs business. This mean he just look so the people under him do what they should do and hire the right people, par example Green. Man maybe it's because your not here and don't get all the news from good reliable sources, but Benning goes to the podium or the draft with the intention to find a player in every single round. That's from his own mouth talking about picks. He's the first GM i've seen, ever, that takes the draft as seriously (for us - i was too young for Milford, but believe he won't surpass what he did with his drafting at least). Trading his picks for Miller/OEL and Garland - is like drafting those players. They need to be on that side of the ledger when evaluating their value, as in how they played, and how many games we got them for. A 22nd...lol. We are for sure already got more value there then the average. If Miller didn't play one more game. OEL and Garland .... well we for sure 100% will get more games and value from that pick unless we missed out on a HHOFer. A decade of games for two players. Was a coupe. Edited November 13, 2021 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, spook007 said: You are just arguing for the sake of arguing... Why on earth should he not, when he has the final say? How can you have the final say, if you don't have a clue? It'll be like making a shoemaker bank manager, cause it doesn't matter if he knows anything about what he's managing... If he has an eye for a player, he would want to see for himself, if what the scouts suggests are indeed, what he is looking for... It’s like the bank manager trusting his different bosses in their proffessional field. Why should the bank manager deal with stocks when he has a whole staff specialising in that area. It’s just ridculus and it’s not arguing for arguings sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, IBatch said: Man maybe it's because your not here and don't get all the news from good reliable sources, but Benning goes to the podium or the draft with the intention to find a player in every single round. That's from his own mouth talking about picks. He's the first GM i've seen, ever, that takes the draft as seriously (for us - i was too young for Milford, but believe he won't surpass what he did with his drafting at least). Trading his picks for Miller/OEL and Garland - is like drafting those players. They need to be on that side of the ledger when evaluating their value, as in how they played, and how many games we got them for. A 22nd...lol. We are for sure already got more value there then the average. If Miller didn't play one more game. OEL and Garland .... well we for sure 100% will get more games and value from that pick unless we missed out on a HHOFer. A decade of games for two players. Was a coupe. Well, Benning can take it really serious without Scouting himself… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Well, Benning can take it really serious without Scouting himself… He's obviously not scouting himself. A GM flying in to watch a prospect isn't unheard of though What the team did with EP was a stroke of luck and genuis - given Hammerstrom being so close and able to watch him.. Didn't take long for Delorme to be convinced watching him... a couple trips, after that they limited it because word gets out to other teams if a scout is watching 6-7 times and they show their hands (other scouts wonder why and also do it). Made sure to focus on Glass too. But it was always EP. Never Glass. That included JB. All that said he's got a massive scouting resume himself, and it for sure was a big part he got the job here as our GM. It's not something that Benning and co have done poorly at. Above average - at a time when we needed it the most .. Picking on average around 10, but actually package of drafts like picking 5 every time is exactly what we needed. The OJ miss hurt us. But without it i doubt we'd have QHs at all, and maybe not EP as well. If we picked MT instead. Edited November 13, 2021 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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