DeNiro Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, -Vintage Canuck- said: Oh shut up Drance! Why does he cover this team? Oh that’s right cause Leaf’s media already has enough kool aid drinking homers. Does he honestly think he’s revealing information teams don’t already know? Who does he think he’s influencing? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Drance is clearly a sports nerd who thinks he’s a pro scout because he can read some advanced stats from a website. This market deserves better media! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Drance is clearly a sports nerd who thinks he’s a pro scout because he can read some advanced stats from a website. This market deserves better media! Guy only responds to fans with limited knowledge on Twitter as well he won’t answer to valid points that fans make that prove his theory’s wrong or misinformed/stretched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Kinda hard to be efficient in every aspect when he carries the PP, the PK, faceoff duties, and being a physical presence. JT needs support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Kinda hard to be efficient in every aspect when he carries the PP, the PK, faceoff duties, and being a physical presence. JT needs support. well if the Canucks sign him it's going to be more of that, but worse as it lkely means Bo is gone, who takes the lions share of the faceoffs and with a monster contract for JT they wouldn't be able to surround him with many quality depth players 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, HKSR said: You need to learn about how inflation impacts the luxury consumer. For example, I might sound like a douche by saying this (but saying it to you won't bother me much), but my wife and I are fortunate to be able to afford two luxury vehicles worth $100k+ each and spend over $3000 a month on just car payments. If the prices went up 10 to 15% on those vehicles, it wouldn't change a damn thing for me. I'd still spend the money on them. This 'yahoo' on the forum has been in finance for nearly 20 years and has degrees in economics, business, and is a chartered accountant. When some yahoo like you comes along and tries to throw personal gut feel into future projections, it just sounds stupid lol Anyways, I'm done with replying to simpletons like you while on vacation with my family, so I'm out. Enjoy your day. You are continuing to bloviate about nonsense. Great that you don’t care about inflation in your household. That bears zero relevance to your original position that high overall inflation in the economy will make hockey related revenue go up. There are well studied effects of recessions and high inflation rates when they compare discretionary and non-discretionary spending and the rate of inflation for each category. High inflation on a non-discretionary Consumer price index items equals less spending and lowered inflation on discretionary spending. It is a really strong correlation. High inflation also means higher interest rates, so higher mortgage and borrowing costs. None of this is my “gut feel”, they are vastly studied economic models you can Google if interested. Mortgage rates go up, food prices go up, fuel goes up, clothing goes up… the relief valve for affording that for most households is that they cut back on extras like vacations, eating out, entertainment, etc. The one outlier is alcohol spending which is considered discretionary spending actually goes up… but that is explainable. Yes, these things have been studied to the degree they even know the correlation of how much people drink in relation to inflation. If you have the education you say, you should know this. In the hockey world, most arenas aren’t selling out, so there isn’t any scarcity of tickets and there is really limited ability to raise prices in an economy with rising interest rates and higher costs of living. They have to try to sell 18,000 plus tickets 42 times a year and have all of those people buy a bunch of merchandise. We have already seen pressures on ticket sales due to people being priced out… so your assertion that there are 18,000+ people a night who are “luxury” buyers and don’t have household budgets is just nonsense. So yes, you do sound like a douche, but it has nothing to do with what car you drive. PS. We are a two income household, each currently bringing in low six figure incomes (I “mostly” retired early a few years ago so reduced my income and raised my quality of living). We drive a Honda and a 10 year old minivan. We don’t have car payments. You might want to find a financial planner or accountant to help you with your decision making if you are having to finance $3k a month just on car payments as depreciating assets. You might not want to be lecturing people on economics. Most people try to make a budget and then cut out things they don’t need rather than borrowing hundreds of thousands on toys. Edited March 14, 2022 by Provost 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T.Demko Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: PS. We are a two income household, each bringing in low six figure incomes. We drive a Honda and a 10 year old minivan. We don’t have car payments. You might want to find a financial planner or accountant to help you with your decision making if you are having to finance $3k a month just on car payments as depreciating assets. You might not want to be lecturing people on economics. Most people try to make a budget and then cut out things they don’t need rather than borrowing hundreds of thousands on toys. I also make low six figures, but never purchased a car. Never could commit to a depreciating asset. I've always leased out and invested the difference, and it has played out very well so far, at least for me. Been riding free while changing to a newer car every 4 years. Of course, you assume a risk this way, but if you're disciplined, it can work. I guess each to its own. By the way, I love this econ 101 thread... why are people talking about J.T. Miller? Edited March 14, 2022 by T.Demko 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, T.Demko said: I also make low six figures, but never purchased a car. Never could commit to a depreciating asset. I've always leased out and invested the difference, and it has played out very well so far, at least for me. Been riding free while changing to a newer car every 4 years. Of course, you assume a risk the this way, but if you're disciplined, it can work. I guess each to its own. By the way, I love this econ 101 thread... why are people talking about J.T. Miller? … if the team could actually pull the trigger on an actual trade we wouldn’t have to be getting this far into the weeds on every bit of minutiae related to the economics of how cap inflation affects how well or poorly contracts age! :D Go ask the Maple Leafs how well their contracts aged. They assumed cap inflation would make them all more affordable deals by now… and picked that into the offers. Now they are screwed with long term contracts and a flat cap. I will even take a Poolman trade at this point where we have to throw in a little late round sweetener! Anything to have something to actually talk about!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shiznak Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, HKSR said: Right... just ignore all the others and pick the lowest performing player and call it a day... gotcha, that's the most accurate representation. I used Sharp/Ribeiro as outliners, because these two were late bloomer, much like Miller and they match his trajectory in point production prior to having their career years. You can’t put Miller in the same category as the Sedins, Getzlaf, or Zetterberg, when these players were scoring a PPG rate in their 3rd/4th seasons, in the league and continue do so year after year. It took Miller his 6th season to score at that rate and prior to coming to Vancouver, was only scoring at a .5 rate. Other late bloomers, like Marchard and Pavelski are a rare breed. How many late bloomers can you name in the history of the NHL, continue to get better with age? The only other players I can think of are Martin St.Louis, Ray Whitney, and Adam Oates. Edited March 14, 2022 by shiznak 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Demko Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Provost said: … if the team could actually pull the trigger on an actual trade we wouldn’t have to be getting this far into the weeds on every bit of minutiae related to the economics of how cap inflation affects how well or poorly contracts age! :D Go ask the Maple Leafs how well their contracts aged. They assumed cap inflation would make them all more affordable deals by now… and picked that into the offers. Now they are screwed with long term contracts and a flat cap. I will even take a Poolman trade at this point where we have to throw in a little late round sweetener! Anything to have something to actually talk about!! Right?? All the excitement of potential change, a different direction, a new Canucks era with a management overhaul... and NOTHING has happened. Tis true... I put the sole blame on the Management and Ownership... stop this slow torture. Hah... the Laffs. Although I'll cut them slack for not equating an unforeseen global macro factor, even if they knew, it is the Laffs afterall... probably would have made the same move. Stupidity, and a mix of Karma! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: it's not a buyer beware situation, it's an analytics-worshippers beware situation. anybody who has watched jt play and then looks at those numbers and shrugs their shoulders thinking the numbers must be the true story is an absolute mouth breathing moron. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, T.Demko said: Right?? All the excitement of potential change, a different direction, a new Canucks era with a management overhaul... and NOTHING has happened. Tis true... I put the sole blame on the Management and Ownership... stop this slow torture. Hah... the Laffs. Although I'll cut them slack for not equating an unforeseen global macro factor, even if they knew, it is the Laffs afterall... probably would have made the same move. Stupidity, and a mix of Karma! Different management and same owner. Maybe our owner won't allow the changes that new management is wanting? When has this owner allowed for an actual rebuilding move where a key piece, or pieces, are moved out? Kelser forced his way out. Burr and Hansen were older and no longer key pieces. Is the owner holding up management? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Journalists, They just love attention.. they’re like children , stamping their feet , create some noise.. and they get paid for it. They like to read their own thoughts, hear their own voice, chum and chuck it up with their own kind.. drink together, barbecue together, be seen together.. even in stupidity, strength sleeps together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWJC Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Provost said: … if the team could actually pull the trigger on an actual trade we wouldn’t have to be getting this far into the weeds on every bit of minutiae related to the economics of how cap inflation affects how well or poorly contracts age! :D Go ask the Maple Leafs how well their contracts aged. They assumed cap inflation would make them all more affordable deals by now… and picked that into the offers. Now they are screwed with long term contracts and a flat cap. I will even take a Poolman trade at this point where we have to throw in a little late round sweetener! Anything to have something to actually talk about!! How about future trades/speculation… lol 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Journalists, They just love attention.. they’re like children , stamping their feet , create some noise.. and they get paid for it. They like to read their own thoughts, hear their own voice, chum and chuck it up with their own kind.. drink together, barbecue together, be seen together.. even in stupidity, strength sleeps together. come now, drance isn't a journalist, he's a failed public relations guy. you shouldn't insult journalists that way. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, RWJC said: How about future trades/speculation… lol Hmmm. What would that look like? We take ALL their young players/prospects not named Hughes. They get to corner the market on Hughes brothers and also surround them with some of our more expensive veterans. Then we have no issue with paying Miller market rate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Demko Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Provost said: Hmmm. What would that look like? Two Hughes for our One Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Demko Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Different management and same owner. Maybe our owner won't allow the changes that new management is wanting? When has this owner allowed for an actual rebuilding move where a key piece, or pieces, are moved out? Kelser forced his way out. Burr and Hansen were older and no longer key pieces. Is the owner holding up management? Maybe Alf... I think you're onto something, which leads me to think you're sober, which worries me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, T.Demko said: Two Hughes for our One Hughes. Or to reference some vintage debauchery: 3 Hughes’, 1 Cup 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Provost said: Hmmm. What would that look like? We take ALL their young players/prospects not named Hughes. They get to corner the market on Hughes brothers and also surround them with some of our more expensive veterans. Then we have no issue with paying Miller market rate. they'll have to make sure to draft the offbrand jack hughes knockoff out of northeastern this coming draft, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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