SilentSam Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, stawns said: Why does @aGENT get to be the professor? That's bullsh!t. How much do you weigh ? Ill change it if you can find out if you weigh less than both of them !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: Why does @aGENT get to be the professor? That's bullsh!t. At least you're not Gilligan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, SilentSam said: How much do you weigh ? Ill change it if you can find out if you weigh less than both of them !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, SilentSam said: How much do you weigh ? Ill change it if you can find out if you weigh less than both of them !! 165'ish. I got this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted January 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: 165'ish. I got this. All I'm going to say is........I'm not 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 @aGENT @stawns @N4ZZY Let me ask you guys this, if Horvat was playing like Miller is,. And Miller was playing like Horvat. would you move Horvat? (each player can keep his relative age) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: @aGENT @stawns @N4ZZY Let me ask you guys this, if Horvat was playing like Miller is,. And Miller was playing like Horvat. would you move Horvat? (each player can keep his relative age) What we're trying to tell you it's that it has little to do with how they're playing. It's not personal, it's situational with where the team's timeline and Miller's (and the cost of his next contract) just don't line up. I doubt you'll find anyone here who will state they don't like Miller the player. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, SilentSam said: @aGENT @stawns @N4ZZY Let me ask you guys this, if Horvat was playing like Miller is,. And Miller was playing like Horvat. would you move Horvat? (each player can keep his relative age) No, Horvat isn't going to be 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: What we're trying to tell you it's that it has little to do with how they're playing. It's not personal, it's situational with where the team's timeline and Miller's (and the cost of his next contract) just don't line up. I doubt you'll find anyone here who will state they don't like Miller the player. .. and I hope what your understanding from me is that I think Miller is an “outliar” , who could continue to play this way for another 5 years, and be one of the best leaders, teamates and this Organization has ever seen. I think it’s Horvat and Boeser who will decline in 2 years, and personally, I’d rather keep a top level leader for 5 and trade another asset/s to fill where I think we a bit weak. one on D, one on forward. we are not far away from a great team with Miller, but just staying good , and having nothing outstanding (other than goaltending) just keeps in mediocrity in my eyes. I hope Management makes the right decision here.. and hope they have conversations with all camps soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, stawns said: No, Horvat isn't going to be 30. I’m confused by that Stawns, I can’t see Horvat playing like he is now at 30, I think he’ll decline soon. most nights he looks heavy. . Hard to skater. to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I’m confused by that Stawns, I can’t see Horvat playing like he is now at 30, I think he’ll decline soon. most nights he looks heavy. . Hard to skater. to me. No has a house here and his family too. He will extend. Miller has no investment in our city. Other than money, there’s nothing teeing him to us. He’s gone as a UFA. Trade him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I’m confused by that Stawns, I can’t see Horvat playing like he is now at 30, I think he’ll decline soon. most nights he looks heavy. . Hard to skater. to me. He's just coming into his prime, Miller is just leaving his. The new core is young, I'm not sure what's hard to see about that. I haven't been shy about what I think about Miller, but it's got nothing to do with why I think he needs to be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, SilentSam said: .. and I hope what your understanding from me is that I think Miller is an “outliar” , who could continue to play this way for another 5 years, There's the problem. It's iffy he makes it that long. Most don't. Most start heavily declining between 32-34. The likelihood of him playing up to his next cap hit, past then is low, AND we need more than 5 years anyway, if by some miracle, he held up until then. We need 7+ ideally HENCE SO MANY OF US UNDERSTANDING THAT HE DOESN'T FIT THIS CORE'S WINDOW. That's the middle/peak of the core's prime. Likely our best chance to win a cup. Not the time to be saddled with a declining, mid 30's, $8-$9.5m, 3rd liner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, stawns said: He's just coming into his prime, Miller is just leaving his. The new core is young, I'm not sure what's hard to see about that. I haven't been shy about what I think about Miller, but it's got nothing to do with why I think he needs to be moved. I don’t think so But I agree if it’s Laf and Schneids coming back I don’t see how you don’t pull the trigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said: I don’t think so https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271172145_Estimating_the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance#:~:text=Our best estimate of the,and 24 to 34%2C respectively. Our best estimate of the scoring peak age is between 27 and 28 for forwards and between 28 and 29 for defencemen. Both forwards and defencemen exhibit near-peak performance over a wide range, going from about 24 to 32 and 24 to 34, respectively. Miller will be 30 when his next, likely $8-$9.5m contract starts. Statistically, he has two years, at that hit before he starts to decline. Can he be an outlier? Maybe? But no GM (not trying to win NOW) in their right mind bets on that. You bet on what the statistics say, almost certainly happens. Edited January 28, 2022 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I’m betting Boeser gets moved before Miller. 7.5 million reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbhatti00 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Trade both miller and boeser, would net a great return, clear up a lot of cap space and set us up to win when the core is ready to contendn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: @aGENT @stawns @N4ZZY Let me ask you guys this, if Horvat was playing like Miller is,. And Miller was playing like Horvat. would you move Horvat? (each player can keep his relative age) I would, if it would net us the largest return. But again, @SilentSam, it depends if Bo wants to remain here. with Miller, I’d be open to extending him. I think we need to keep Bo, which means that Boeser is probably the odd man out. If there was a way to keep all three at “discount” deals so that management can begin to build a contending team, than that would be of course, ideal. But Miller also has to want to be here. I get the sense - just me - no reports or rumors, that he does not want to be here long term. That he wants to test free agency to see what kind of deal he can get (financially and term). And it’s the smart move, honestly, on his part, if it’s true. Why limit yourself to one team, when you can offer yourself to the highest bidder for money and term, that sets up your family essentially forever. If he gets to UFA, he also decides where he wants to play, live, place down roots, etc. And I also get the sense that he’d prefer to play in America than in Canada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, aGENT said: What we're trying to tell you it's that it has little to do with how they're playing. It's not personal, it's situational with where the team's timeline and Miller's (and the cost of his next contract) just don't line up. I doubt you'll find anyone here who will state they don't like Miller the player. I love Miller the player. He’s a force, which is why he’ll net us the absolute filthiest return we’ve had in a long time. Assuming of course, Allvin and his staff doesn’t screw this one up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, aGENT said: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271172145_Estimating_the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance#:~:text=Our best estimate of the,and 24 to 34%2C respectively. Our best estimate of the scoring peak age is between 27 and 28 for forwards and between 28 and 29 for defencemen. Both forwards and defencemen exhibit near-peak performance over a wide range, going from about 24 to 32 and 24 to 34, respectively. Miller will be 30 when his next, likely $8-$9.5m contract starts. Statistically, he has two years, at that hit before he starts to decline. Can he be an outlier? Maybe? But no GM (not trying to win NOW) in their right mind bets on that. You bet on what the statistics say, almost certainly happens. Yeah. But someone is going to want to bet on that for a chance to go all the way in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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