Devron Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Letting a 24-year-old player who was coming off back-to-back 23 goal seasons walk for nothing doesn't sound like good asset management to me. That is only something that Benning would have done, which he did several times. Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli ring a bell. It’s the old damned if you do damned if you don’t. It really doesn’t matter what management does, there will be lots of backlash. Winning is the only solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 This is an insane cycle they’re putting themselves in right now. Spending money that you don’t have always gets you in trouble. That’s why I rolled my eyes when Allvin acted confident yet again that he could move salary. Like I’ve heard that before… Are they going to trade even more picks we can’t afford to lose? That not only weakens our future prospect pipeline, the draft capital that we’ll need when we wanna acquire players to put us in contention wont be there. If they’re trading firsts and/or 2nds to fix their problems Id rather just have an OEL buyout and ride out the rest of Myers contract if he can’t be moved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Provost said: We would definitely need Pearson to do us a favour by agreeing to go on LTIR for all of next season and do it before the start of the summer signing season. Team doctors can’t unilaterally shut him down for a full year without bulletproof medical evidence that it is impossible for him to come back. He has his own specialists now, and they would also have to agree that is the case, and his agent would have to agree not to grieve them prematurely shutting him down, it being a convenient answer for the team cap debacle is irrelevant to them. It isn’t an injury that will obviously prevent him from playing. It was an infection… once it gets under control (and maybe it is already), then it is just determining any permanent tissue or functional damages and then rehabbing it. It is “possible” there is so much damage that he will never have enough use of the hand to ever play again, but of the range of possibilities but knowing that to be the case in the next month or two is much more unlikely than just having to let it play out with healing and treatment and see how it is by September or even next February. I agree with all of that. The difference we have is that I think that Pearson cannot recover from his injury, he was wearing a cast at the exit interviews and it seemed pretty clear that he was concerned to just have a normal life, nevermind playing hockey. But I am not a doctor so I will leave that to the experts to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This is an insane cycle they’re putting themselves in right now. Spending money that you don’t have always gets you in trouble. That’s why I rolled my eyes when Allvin acted confident yet again that he could move salary. Like I’ve heard that before… Are they going to trade even more picks we can’t afford to lose? That not only weakens our future prospect pipeline, the draft capital that we’ll need when we wanna acquire players to put us in contention wont be there. If they’re trading firsts and/or 2nds to fix their problems Id rather just have an OEL buyout and ride out the rest of Myers contract if he can’t be moved. they could prob get a 2nd + 3rd for beauvellier or something like that and they could buy out Garland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 I saw an article on Reddit this morning saying the Canucks would have to add pieces to move Garland. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This is an insane cycle they’re putting themselves in right now. Spending money that you don’t have always gets you in trouble. That’s why I rolled my eyes when Allvin acted confident yet again that he could move salary. Like I’ve heard that before… Are they going to trade even more picks we can’t afford to lose? That not only weakens our future prospect pipeline, the draft capital that we’ll need when we wanna acquire players to put us in contention wont be there. If they’re trading firsts and/or 2nds to fix their problems Id rather just have an OEL buyout and ride out the rest of Myers contract if he can’t be moved. I am pretty sure this is being discussed. If they can't move out contracts (if they deem it to expensive), then the buyouts are a last resort. That is why Allvin seems to be confident that they will be fine. They probably have already been given the green light by Aquilini on some buyouts IF the cost of moving out contracts is too high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: they could prob get a 2nd + 3rd for beauvellier or something like that and they could buy out Garland NYI had been trying to trade Beauvillier for quite some time. If that package was available they would have already traded him before the Horvat deal. Edited May 10, 2023 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, DeNiro said: This is an insane cycle they’re putting themselves in right now. Spending money that you don’t have always gets you in trouble. That’s why I rolled my eyes when Allvin acted confident yet again that he could move salary. Like I’ve heard that before… Are they going to trade even more picks we can’t afford to lose? That not only weakens our future prospect pipeline, the draft capital that we’ll need when we wanna acquire players to put us in contention wont be there. If they’re trading firsts and/or 2nds to fix their problems Id rather just have an OEL buyout and ride out the rest of Myers contract if he can’t be moved. It will likely be a costly move they make to clear cap. There's no way around it. No team is gonna look at our situation wanting to do us favours. They're gonna see opportunity to take advantage of our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, buddhahoodlum said: I saw an article on Reddit this morning saying the Canucks would have to add pieces to move Garland. What a joke. doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, buddhahoodlum said: I saw an article on Reddit this morning saying the Canucks would have to add pieces to move Garland. What a joke. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like he's getting paid $4.9M a year to do cardio he's still at least a half decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Letting a 24-year-old player who was coming off back-to-back 23 goal seasons walk for nothing doesn't sound like good asset management to me. That is only something that Benning would have done, which he did several times. Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli ring a bell. Brock was getting $5,875,000 and got re-signed to $6,650,000. If you know you are short of cap space, you either don't sign Brock or if you do sign Brock, you make sure you don't add so much cap hit that you now have to give up a player, and a pick, to clear the space you could have got, without giving up a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, mll said: NYI had been trying to trade Beauvillier for quite some time. If that package was available they would have already traded him before the Horvat deal. Beauvillier would be attractive to Chicago as a guy who could play with Bedard. He would help them reach the cap floor, give them an NHL body to play with Bedard, and they could flip him at next year's deadline for a pick. We shouldn't have to give Chicago anything other than maybe a late round pick or a B prospect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I am pretty sure this is being discussed. If they can't move out contracts (if they deem it to expensive), then the buyouts are a last resort. That is why Allvin seems to be confident that they will be fine. They probably have already been given the green light by Aquilini on some buyouts IF the cost of moving out contracts is too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 11th overall could be in play but I reckon it would have to be more than just a dump deal. Like getting a 3rd C with good cap, Lesser pick, etc. They seem pretty set on improving the team ASAP by any means possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, Gurn said: Brock was getting $5,875,000 and got re-signed to $6,650,000. If you know you are short of cap space, you either don't sign Brock or if you do sign Brock, you make sure you don't add so much cap hit that you now have to give up a player, and a pick, to clear the space you could have got, without giving up a pick. Brock's QO was $7.5 million, so they couldn't re-sign him for less unless they gave him term, which they did. All indications were that Brock had a bad year based on his father's situation and that he would rebound. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. If he had scored 30 goals this year, would we even be talking about Boeser being traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: I wouldn't be surprised if 11th overall could be in play but I reckon it would have to be more than just a dump deal. Like getting a 3rd C with good cap, Lesser pick, etc. They seem pretty set on improving the team ASAP by any means possible. The 11th overall pick and you add Garland to the deal and you get a 3C and/or a RHD back. That is also a possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said: I saw an article on Reddit this morning saying the Canucks would have to add pieces to move Garland. What a joke. add Jack Rathbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Beauvillier would be attractive to Chicago as a guy who could play with Bedard. He would help them reach the cap floor, give them an NHL body to play with Bedard, and they could flip him at next year's deadline for a pick. We shouldn't have to give Chicago anything other than maybe a late round pick or a B prospect... See them more going to free agency to complete their roster. If teams want to use Chicago as dumping ground would think that they'll make those teams pay similar to what they did last off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Garland + Rathbone to Buffalo for a 3rd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, mll said: See them more going to free agency to complete their roster. If teams want to use Chicago as dumping ground would think that they'll make those teams pay similar to what they did last off-season. Chi could flip him at deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, mll said: See them more going to free agency to complete their roster. If teams want to use Chicago as dumping ground would think that they'll make those teams pay similar to what they did last off-season. UFA's won't sign for only one year. They could trade for Beauvillier or sign UFA's with term. Seems to me adding a guy like Beauvilluer with an expiring contract would be a better choice versus an overpriced UFA with term... Edited May 10, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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