Popular Post HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) EDIT (Mar 9th): I thought I'd update based on the fact a month has gone by since my original post. Here is an update based on how things have progressed since then. The original post is below. Re-signings JT Mller at $9M AAV Boeser at $6.35M AAV Bo at $6.9M AAV Petey at $9M AAV Motte at $2.5M AAV Hogs at $1.75M AAV (bridge) Podz at $3M AAV (bridge) Trades and Movement Dickinson traded this TDL Poolman traded in 2023-24 Lockwood, Rathbone, and Klimovich/Karlsson joins the team UFA Signing in 2023-24 Top 4 RHD for $5M AAV Lines by 2023-24: Hoglander-Petey-Podz Pearson-Miller-Boeser Garland-Bo-Motte Highmore-Lamikko-Lockwood Hughes-Top4RHD OEL-Myers Rathbone-Schenn Demko Backup ORIGINAL POST Here's what a 4 year plan COULD look like keeping everybody we have and yet still upgrading our defence on the right hand side. Shows we don't NEED to trade anybody in the core and still be able to improve our roster. Hamonic should be back next year with covid hopefully in the rear view mirror. He walks and then we can make our UFA signing of a stay at home RHD like Mayfield for 2023-24. Re-signings JT Mller at $8.5M AAV Boeser at $7.25M AAV Bo at $7.25M AAV Petey at $8.5M AAV Motte at $2M AAV Hogs at $3M AAV (bridge) Podz at $3M AAV (bridge) Trades and Movement Pearson traded by 2023-24 Dickinson traded by 2023-24 Poolman traded by 2023-24 Lockwood, Rathbone, and Klimovich/Karlsson joins the team UFA Signing in 2023-24: Scott Mayfield or equivalent RHD for $4.5M AAV Lines by 2023-24: Hoglander-Petey-Boeser Podz-Miller-Motte Garland-Bo-Klimovich ELC/4F-Lamikko-Lockwood Hughes-Mayfield OEL-Myers Rathbone-Schenn Demko EDIT: If you're interested, I did the same exercise assuming Miller is traded for Chytil and Schneider here for comparison: Edited March 9, 2022 by HKSR 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zhukini Posted February 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2022 In a vacuum that's fine. In real life that's a bottom 5 roster in the league by that point. 3 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) So you are ok paying top dollar to continue watching this Edited February 2, 2022 by Filthy McNasty 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I guess this is for Allvin and Castonguay to figure out. So, more of the same then, except we pay the players more? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zhukini said: In a vacuum that's fine. In real life that's a bottom 5 roster in the league by that point. Why exactly? Petey, Hughes, Bo, Garland, Boeser, Mayfield, Motte, and Demko would all literally be between the ages of 27 and 30. Smack in the middle of their prime. Hogs and Podz SHOULD be just about breaking out at that point as they'd be entering their mid-20s. Miller should still be productive as he'll be around 32 or 33 (think Marian Hossa). Edited February 2, 2022 by HKSR 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2022 You REALLY need to be careful about what you're waiting for... If LA waited for Doughty and Kopitar to hit their primes, or Chicago waited for Kane and Toews to hit their prime (ages 27 to 30), they'd have no Cups at this point. Why? Because those guys will command $10M each, severely crippling the cap structure to the point you won't be able to surround them with the talent to win. If Petey and Hughes truly become top 10 or 15 talents in this league, and you wait until they hit their prime, they'll cost $10M+ each. Then what? 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Apparently we're a Cup contender already. Who knew? You call that an upgrade on RD? Motte on the second line? Klimovich playing already? That's a pretty awful looking team and our biggest problem RD still hasn't been addressed. You also have no pressbox players and zero flexibility. I don't want the job of making these decisions but I'm sure glad you don't. Joking but if it goes your way I'll be massively surprised. Also, Miller isn't re-signing here so you'll have to replace him via UFA or elc. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris12345 Posted February 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2022 The Canucks have sucked for 10 years. Change is needed. Don't need a blow up but the same core will not solve the issue. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chris12345 said: The Canucks have sucked for 10 years. Change is needed. Don't need a blow up but the same core will not solve the issue. In fairness, the Sedins have only been gone for 3 years. And likewise, Hughes and Petey have really only had 3 years at it so far. So I wouldn't say we've given this core a real opportunity yet. Are we really only gonna give this core 3 years of development before we say they suck? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The thing is nobody will want to trade for Pearson/Dickinson and especially Poolman unless we add something. Sure we would love to cut out the deadweight on the roster but I have a hard time believing that teams are calling for those players. We would need to put in a sweetener for those to get moved and unfortunately we just don’t have the assets/riches to do that right now. Which is why we have to trade a valuable piece or two to balance out our lineup especially our right side. No other way to slice it, we have to take a step back to take steps forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said: The thing is nobody will want to trade for Pearson/Dickinson and especially Poolman unless we add something. Sure we would love to cut out the deadweight on the roster but I have a hard time believing that teams are calling for those players. We would need to put in a sweetener for those to get moved and unfortunately we just don’t have the assets/riches to do that right now. Which is why we have to trade a valuable piece or two to balance out our lineup especially our right side. No other way to slice it, we have to take a step back to take steps forward. Poolman may be the hardest to move, but even then, as a depth RHD on a contender for only $2.5M AAV is not bad at all. Pearson/Dickinson you'll notice I have them traded in the last year of their contracts. MUCH easier to move them then for late round draft picks as the team won't need to worry about further cap issues with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted February 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2022 We don't NEED to trade anyone to make improvements, but it seems to.me.its our best chance of making improvements. We have seen this core in action for a number of years now. Yes, they are young and they should be getting better over time (except for Miller who in my opinion is at his very peak right now and will likely see a plateau or a decrease in production moving forward). But I also haven't seen enough from this core to bet the farm on them. We don't have nearly enough in the pipeline to back up this core. Teams winning cups are seeing their core lead the team, while young players are entering the league on ECLs and contributing to the team. I don't see nearly enough in our future that makes me feel confident in the organizations ability to do that. We need some solid young players to supplement into our team in case all these players production doesn't steadily move forward. If this team had established itself as a strong, whatever, team over the last couple years I would be more willing to agree with you. But I have no idea what this team is. We have no identify as it stands right now, and that's not the type of situation I want to be in for the foreseeable future. Mixing it up by brining in 2 or 3 potential young difference makers can change our identify. Even taking off the training wheels of Miller may help establish the identity by pushing our young players. I love Miller, he's out best forward. But I simply don't see him being the teams best bet 2-4 years from now when we are competing for our cup. I think his value will be higher in the sum of his parts, then a 32 year old 9 million dollar player. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 that's some sad looking bottom 6.. and realistically we will also need to look for another top pairing defenseman as OEL will be a 2nd pairing defenseman at best by the time myer is gone lol.. fail to see any improvement over the current version of the team.. the offense from the defense is probably even worse than it currently is now with OEL Myers even older.. and the secondary scoring from the bottom 6 looks like it's going to be non existent also... this team on paper is going to be so easy to play against.. it's going to be the lightest team in the NHL by a long shot lol. we are already one of the lightest team in the league and it shows on the ice how easily we get pushed off the puck.. and then we insert rathbone karlsson lockwood to go along with hoglander pettersson motte hughes lammiko who are all below 195lbs and some well below.. the lightest team this year avg 192lbs.. the team you listed is going to be well below 192 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: that's some sad looking bottom 6.. and realistically we will also need to look for another top pairing defenseman as OEL will be a 2nd pairing defenseman at best by the time myer is gone lol.. fail to see any improvement over the current version of the team.. the offense from the defense is probably even worse than it currently is now with OEL Myers even older.. and the secondary scoring from the bottom 6 looks like it's going to be non existent also... this team on paper is going to be so easy to play against.. it's going to be the lightest team in the NHL by a long shot lol. we are already one of the lightest team in the league and it shows on the ice how easily we get pushed off the puck.. and then we insert rathbone karlsson lockwood to go along with hoglander pettersson motte hughes lammiko who are all below 195lbs and some well below.. the lightest team this year avg 192lbs.. the team you listed is going to be well below 192 lol That's why you see Myers / Top 4 RHD... I assume we will have replaced him with someone else for about $5M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Apparently, Dhaliwal reported a little while ago that JR met with Miller and Boeser camps yesterday, to get an idea what kinds of re-signing deals they want. Seems Miller is wanting 5-6 years at well over $7. So, Miller will be 35-36 when his next deal ends? I don't like it, he'll be too old to be paying that kind of money to. The Canucks aren't in a position to go for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: That's why you see Myers / Top 4 RHD... I assume we will have replaced him with someone else for about $5M AAV. finding 1 top 4 rhd is already hard enough lol and u need to find 2.. still does nothing to address how small this team is.. gonna be men vs stickman.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 I really don't get it sometimes... CDCers: "Oh man, you wanna just keep the status quo? They're gonna SUCK!" Also CDCers: "Oh man, you just wait, when these guys all hit their prime, they're gonna be awesome! We're gonna be contenders!" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Apparently, Dhaliwal reported a little while ago that JR met with Miller and Boeser camps yesterday, to get an idea what kinds of re-signing deals they want. Seems Miller is wanting 5-6 years at well over $7. So, Miller will be 35-36 when his next deal ends? I don't like it, he'll be too old to be paying that kind of money to. The Canucks aren't in a position to go for it. If it's well over $7M but under $8M, then I think the Canucks brass will get him signed. With what he brings, even if he regresses to a 0.75 PPG player at 33 to 35 yo, he's still putting up 60pts+ while bringing all the other intangibles and let's not forget the cap will go up significantly by then. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: If it's well over $7M but under $8M, then I think the Canucks brass will get him signed. With what he brings, even if he regresses to a 0.75 PPG player at 33 to 35 yo, he's still putting up 60pts+ while bringing all the other intangibles and let's not forget the cap will go up significantly by then. I thought LE would score 20-30 goals a season too 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I thought LE would score 20-30 goals a season too We know what we have in JT Miller. Not sure if JT should be compared to LE lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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