stawns Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, khay said: I'm less worried about attaining balance because I think it's possible, although not easy as we are cap crunched. And yeah, I agree with you that there is very little chance of him coming in at 8 mil. Right now, I see the chance of him coming in at or under 8 mil as less than 1%. That's why I think we move on from him in the off season. The Rangers will lose Strome in the summer and they can more than replace him with Miller from us at 50% retained as long as they give us what we want (Schneider + 1st + forward). Danault signed for 5.5 mil as a UFA. So Horvat at 6.5 mil seems reasonable. Considering the tough minutes that Bo would take on if he re-signs, I think 6.5 mil is fair even if he is penciled in as a 3C. The issue with Horvat is that he is not a possession player and not a great PKer so 6.5 mil may be a bit much for such a player. I do agree that the most likely route is to trade either Bo or Miller. Bo seems more loyal to the Canucks while Miller is the better player. I think it all hinges on whether Miller wants to re-sign and if so, what cost. And EP is not established as a reliable 1C just yet. So ideally, we need another center between or ahead of EP and Horvat if we want to remain competitive. The moment we trade Miller, we lose one of our strengths, which is the depth down the middle. they do, for sure and losing Miller will hurt for a bit. However, they will have the cap space to sign someone or they might get a 3C in a Miller deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, khay said: I'm less worried about attaining balance because I think it's possible, although not easy as we are cap crunched. And yeah, I agree with you that there is very little chance of him coming in at 8 mil. Right now, I see the chance of him coming in at or under 8 mil as less than 1%. That's why I think we move on from him in the off season. The Rangers will lose Strome in the summer and they can more than replace him with Miller from us at 50% retained as long as they give us what we want (Schneider + 1st + forward). Danault signed for 5.5 mil as a UFA. So Horvat at 6.5 mil seems reasonable. Considering the tough minutes that Bo would take on if he re-signs, I think 6.5 mil is fair even if he is penciled in as a 3C. The issue with Horvat is that he is not a possession player and not a great PKer so 6.5 mil may be a bit much for such a player. I do agree that the most likely route is to trade either Bo or Miller. Bo seems more loyal to the Canucks while Miller is the better player. I think it all hinges on whether Miller wants to re-sign and if so, what cost. And EP is not established as a reliable 1C just yet. So ideally, we need another center between or ahead of EP and Horvat if we want to remain competitive. The moment we trade Miller, we lose one of our strengths, which is the depth down the middle. "Bo seems more loyal to the Canucks while Miller is the better player. I think it all hinges on whether Miller wants to re-sign and if so, what cost. " This. IMO, MIller is more valuable to the team's winning. And is more of an inspiration to younger players like Petey and Hughes. Or looking at it from the other side, the player who Petey and Hughes would most be upset with leaving. But it all comes down to if he wants to stay here. As an American, and having lived through Bennings incompetence in losing so much of our best veteran core for nothing a couple seasons ago, to the ongoing COVID border issues, I could understand him wanting to play somewhere in the US. Especially for a contending team. But if......IF......he really does love the city, and does see progress in the team, and does want to be a part of the journey towards being a contender here, and if its between him and Bo? No debate. We move Bo. Not for a bag of pucks obviously, we'd still have to get a good haul. But for all the talk of building a "culture" and retaining players with "character" we just can't let Miller go if he is actually willing to stay here. But that is the 8 million dollar question. I definitely don't want JR to be in any kind of hurry. I think we need to wait until the summer to decide on JT. I really don't think you'd get that much less of a return than if you traded him before the TD this year. He may not even know himself about staying until at least the summer, and he looks at the roster, and what JR did since then with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Water Walker Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Muttley said: Personally I would have had my jersey still on but what the hey! No doubt he was already in the dressing room and they had to bring him out LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack in the box Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Barnstorm said: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jack in the box Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 14 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Travis Hamonic gets the belt. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 "the next VGK" hahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jack in the box said: This. This right here. I forgive you for your past. But the statue stays down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 52 minutes ago, Jack in the box said: Hey....that looks like just like my cousin Blorb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lmm Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 9 hours ago, IBatch said: Back then there wasn't any pandemic concerns - and his long term deal as in 8 years was somewhere in that range. Nobody was that disappointed by it, seemed like a fair deal at the time. Meir got more years and what was it - a 10 million dollar QO offer? If the cap kept going up it didn't seem all that bad. Now it does of course. Most contract reviews don't think he will sign a long term deal at that rate anywhere ... pretty easy to see why, his comps are 7-8.5% of the cap, and it's still got a couple years to go before it goes up more then one million a season. 5.5-6.5 seems to be about right. All depends on term. I was. it was a contract that was designed to walk him to free agency if he did not significantly increase his point production So now here we are and Boeser looks like a free agent rental on the trade market at 24 years of age I don't know what you expected, but this is exactly what I thought would happen the day that contract was presented anyone holding his rights have the choice to overpay or let Brock walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: In the last 15 games: Elias once again looks like a very important pillar for this team moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted February 22, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Elias once again looks like a very important pillar for this team moving forward. I think there are a total of three untouchables, one for each position: Forward: Pettersson Defence: Hughes Goaltender: Demko 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: This. This right here. I forgive you for your past. But the statue stays down! The Bruce Incarnate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: I think there are a total of three untouchables, one for each position: Forward: Pettersson Defence: Hughes Goaltender: Demko 100% agree, to me there's also a second tier as well of young players who look to play a big part of this team's future: Podkolzin Hoglander Rathbone The development and progression of these three will be pretty vital. Especially if management takes a speed and youth approach, I really hope they do it right with these 3. Not saying they are untouchable... but one would think close to? Edited February 22, 2022 by Harold Drunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Rdog said: So, does anyone else feel that Mr. Harmonic, is completely uninterested in being here. The guys are clearly trying to make him feel included, and his responses is like ,"Meh"?!? If he's not fully completely dedicated and stoked to give it all with this team then please, just go. I'd rather see someone who feels it's a privilege to be where he is . Enjoy it Travis, you're a lucky man. I think he's just a very understated personality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, kilgore said: "Bo seems more loyal to the Canucks while Miller is the better player. I think it all hinges on whether Miller wants to re-sign and if so, what cost. " This. IMO, MIller is more valuable to the team's winning. And is more of an inspiration to younger players like Petey and Hughes. Or looking at it from the other side, the player who Petey and Hughes would most be upset with leaving. But it all comes down to if he wants to stay here. As an American, and having lived through Bennings incompetence in losing so much of our best veteran core for nothing a couple seasons ago, to the ongoing COVID border issues, I could understand him wanting to play somewhere in the US. Especially for a contending team. But if......IF......he really does love the city, and does see progress in the team, and does want to be a part of the journey towards being a contender here, and if its between him and Bo? No debate. We move Bo. Not for a bag of pucks obviously, we'd still have to get a good haul. But for all the talk of building a "culture" and retaining players with "character" we just can't let Miller go if he is actually willing to stay here. But that is the 8 million dollar question. I definitely don't want JR to be in any kind of hurry. I think we need to wait until the summer to decide on JT. I really don't think you'd get that much less of a return than if you traded him before the TD this year. He may not even know himself about staying until at least the summer, and he looks at the roster, and what JR did since then with it. Sell at the deadline/draft, grab a bunch of prospects and picks, make a ton of cap space, go fishing in the 2022 UFA pool. There are some gems like Domi, Smith, and Rust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rick Blight said: A lot of Jim Rutherford trades when he was GM of the Hurricanes involved eventual Canucks legends. Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Zac DalpeJeremy Welsh September 29, 2013 Kellan Tochkin2014 4th round pick Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Jordan Staal June 22, 2012 Brandon Sutter2012 1st round pick (#8-Derrick Pouliot)Brian Dumoulin Florida Panthers acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Sergei Samsonov February 28, 2011 Bryan Allen Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Bobby Sanguinetti June 26, 2010 2010 6th round pick (#157-Jesper Fasth)2011 2nd round pick (#57-Tyler Wotherspoon) Washington Capitals acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Scott Walker March 3, 2010 2010 7th round pick (#206-Ricard Blidstrand) Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Andrew Alberts March 3, 2010 2010 3rd round pick (#85-Austin Levi) Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Wade BrookbankJosef Melichar2009 4th round pick (pick forfeited) February 7, 2009 Jussi Jokinen Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date New York Rangers acquire 2008 conditional 5th round pick (if Isbister plays more than 40 games in the remaining 06-07 season) (not exercised)rights to Jakub Petruzalek November 21, 2006 Brad Isbister Chicago Blackhawks acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Radim Vrbata December 30, 2005 2006 4th round pick (#99-James Reimer))future considerations (2007 4th round pick (#96-Cade Fairchild) received as part of future trade for Danny Richmond) Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Arturs Irbe June 16, 2004 future considerations So... Irbe was technically a member of the Blue Jackets. I'll be darned. Edited February 23, 2022 by Herberts Vasiljevs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank einstein Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: So... Irbe was technically a member of the Blue Jackets. I'll be darned. I still think we should have kept Irbe. On the other hand I was sitting behind him that fateful night he was ventilated for 11 goals... you know, when Bertuzzi killed Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BarnBurner Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 19 hours ago, Iron Man said: Imagine if he missed. Which he almost did from what I saw Another Patrik Stephan moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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