[Speculation] Canucks exploring Tyler Myers trade

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2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Really nervous that the Canucks will trade Myers for Lebanc. They would lose so much in this deal, because it sounds like they'd also have to include the 2025 2nd round pick to SJ.

 

If the Canucks hang onto Myers until the 2024 TDL, they could probably fetch a 1st for him. Seriously.

 

He's a big, right shot D who will only be making a million for the season? Lots of teams would love that kind of depth going into the playoffs.

 

It would be a big mistake trading Myers right now IMO

That was the rumoured deal prior to buying out OEL, and our buyout window closing. Now that we'd no longer be able to buyout Lebanc, there's basically zero chance of this happening.

 

If a team with cap wants to give us something for him after his bonus is paid...great. If not, we'll wait until the TDL, retain 50% (maybe even involve a 3rd team to retain 50% again) and get something for him then. If nobody wants to pay up for him then, we'll simply let him walk to FA and gain his $6m cap for next summer.

[J-Dizzle]

1 hour ago, timberz21 said:

Seriously if he’s worth a 1st at deadline, he would have good value right now and be gone already, so I think you’re over optimistic here

 

his season salary might be only 1M after bonus, but cap hit is still 6M.   So your depth argument is pointless unless a Canucks retain.  Contending team won’t have capspace for him as depth

 

I think anyone suggesting he might be worth a first at the deadline is assuming the Canucks would retain. 
 

despite his deficits, he’s still a #4/5 guy on a lot of teams. That, the fact he’s a righty and the fact he’s a freaking giant could be pretty attractive to a team that’s looking to make some noise in the playoffs…and we know teams have more of a penchant to pay up at the trade deadline than other times of the year. 

[dm_ranger]

1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said:

I think anyone suggesting he might be worth a first at the deadline is assuming the Canucks would retain. 
 

despite his deficits, he’s still a #4/5 guy on a lot of teams. That, the fact he’s a righty and the fact he’s a freaking giant could be pretty attractive to a team that’s looking to make some noise in the playoffs…and we know teams have more of a penchant to pay up at the trade deadline than other times of the year. 

Agreed. 50% retained at the trade deadline would only be a cap hit around 1-1.5 million and actual salary only 100-200k.   That is actually a great price for him and contending teams would probably be willing to give a 2nd or 3rd for that. 

[EastCoastNucks]

1 hour ago, dm_ranger said:

Agreed. 50% retained at the trade deadline would only be a cap hit around 1-1.5 million and actual salary only 100-200k.   That is actually a great price for him and contending teams would probably be willing to give a 2nd or 3rd for that. 

Yes but what if we could re-sign him next year around 1-1.5 million.... he is worth more to us after this contract expires. Worth more than a 2nd or 3rd. We all agree he isnt worth the 6 million cap hit, I am sure he knows that too. But its almost over and the pressure will be gone and he can play himself instead of a superstar.

[timberz21]

2 hours ago, J-Dizzle said:

I think anyone suggesting he might be worth a first at the deadline is assuming the Canucks would retain. 
 

despite his deficits, he’s still a #4/5 guy on a lot of teams. That, the fact he’s a righty and the fact he’s a freaking giant could be pretty attractive to a team that’s looking to make some noise in the playoffs…and we know teams have more of a penchant to pay up at the trade deadline than other times of the year. 

We have one of the weakest defense in the league and have been searching for top 4 RHD for 10 years, he’s not a 4 on a lot of team, otherwise he would be a 4 for us.

at best he’s a 6.

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1 minute ago, timberz21 said:

We have one of the weakest defense in the league and have been searching for top 4 RHD for 10 years, he’s not a 4 on a lot of team, otherwise he would be a 4 for us.

at best he’s a 6.

Not without a complementary partner he hasn't. With a complementary partner, he can easily play #4.  Granted he's starting to veer in to age related decline territory.

 

This is the same flawed thinking from people that "Rathbone isn't NHL quality". No, we just don't have a partner to play with him, and no room on the roster, or offensive ice time/usage for a 3rd small, offensive D.

 

Bad fit =/= bad player. How many players do we need to see go have success elsewhere before people understand?

[J-Dizzle]

3 minutes ago, timberz21 said:

We have one of the weakest defense in the league and have been searching for top 4 RHD for 10 years, he’s not a 4 on a lot of team, otherwise he would be a 4 for us.

at best he’s a 6.

You're entitled to that opinion. Facts would say otherwise. He was 3rd in TOI on our team last year (and that is with Hronek at #2.... so an argument could be that he was actually our number #2 guy most of the year). It gets better though... #74 in TOI league wide.  Simple math would say there are 128 top 4 defencemen in the league... I'll let you figure out where that puts him. 

[King Heffy]

Just now, aGENT said:

Not without a complementary partner he hasn't. With a complementary partner, he can easily play #4.  Granted he's starting to veer in to age related decline territory.

 

This is the same flawed thinking from people that "Rathbone isn't NHL quality". No, we just don't have a partner to play with him, and no room on the roster, or offensive ice time/usage for a 3rd small, offensive D.

 

Bad fit =/= bad player. How many players do we need to see go have success elsewhere before people understand?

I think it's pretty reasonable to think that Rathbone is unlikely to ever be able to play well enough in his own zone to be a legit NHLer.  Myers should be fine with a shutdown guy.

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3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I think it's pretty reasonable to think that Rathbone is unlikely to ever be able to play well enough in his own zone to be a legit NHLer.  Myers should be fine with a shutdown guy.

Yes, yes, we all know your thoughts on offense only D. He could be just as much of an NHL player as Barrie has been, with his 768 NHL games played.

 

But yes, Myers is poised for a good year playing with Wolanin/Irwin/Hirose, behind Hughes-Cole and Soucy-Hronek, with better coaching, systems and puck support.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by aGENT

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Yes, yes, we all know your thoughts on offense only D. He could be just as much of an NHL player as Barrie has been, with his 768 NHL games played.

 

 

And neither of those players belong on a legit NHL team.  Bottom line is Rathbone either needs to learn how to play his position or stay in the AHL.  There is no excuse for allowing a defenceman who can't play defence to play a single shift at the NHL level.  Just because other teams were stupid enough to allow Barrie to sabotage their team with his atrocious play in his own zone does not mean other teams should duplicate the mistake.

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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

And neither of those players belong on a legit NHL team.  Bottom line is Rathbone either needs to learn how to play his position or stay in the AHL.  There is no excuse for allowing a defenceman who can't play defence to play a single shift at the NHL level.  Just because other teams were stupid enough to allow Barrie to sabotage their team with his atrocious play in his own zone does not mean other teams should duplicate the mistake.

I'm all for D who actually play defense KH, but saying there's no place in the NHL for a largely offense only, PP specialist, in a sheltered role, with the right partner, is just being willfully obtuse. 

 

768 games played, plus 46 playoff games would suggest you're wrong. Regardless of your (and my) preference for solid defensive/2 way D.

 

 

[King Heffy]

Just now, aGENT said:

I'm all for D who actually play defense KH, but saying there's no place in the NHL for a largely offense only, PP specialist, in a sheltered role, with the right partner, is just being willfully obtuse. 

 

768 games played, plus 46 playoff games would suggest you're wrong. Regardless of your (and my) preference for solid defensive/2 way D.

 

 

The right partner for Barrie or Rathbone is a plate of nachos in the press box.  Barrie's body of work has clearly proven that he's a complete liability out there.  A big part of why Edmonton went on a hot streak was addition via subtraction when they replaced him with an actual NHL quality player.

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

The right partner for Barrie or Rathbone is a plate of nachos in the press box.  Barrie's body of work has clearly proven that he's a complete liability out there.  A big part of why Edmonton went on a hot streak was addition via subtraction when they replaced him with an actual NHL quality player.

Never change Hef 

[PhillipBlunt]

53 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The right partner for Barrie or Rathbone is a plate of nachos in the press box.  Barrie's body of work has clearly proven that he's a complete liability out there.  A big part of why Edmonton went on a hot streak was addition via subtraction when they replaced him with an actual NHL quality player.

[steviewonder20]

5 hours ago, timberz21 said:

Seriously if he’s worth a 1st at deadline, he would have good value right now and be gone already, so I think you’re over optimistic here

 

his season salary might be only 1M after bonus, but cap hit is still 6M.   So your depth argument is pointless unless a Canucks retain.  Contending team won’t have capspace for him as depth

 

People seem to forget that there’s a difference between his salary (1 million) and his cap hit (6 million). Nobody is giving us a 1st round pick for him at the TDL. i’d be thrilled with a 2nd but we might simply get a 3rd as a rental.

[Pure961089]

I think at the moment something good might happen Garry Bettman will step in and reject the Myers trade.  We can't let the Canucks "circumvent the cap" now can we.  Oh, every other team in the NHL would be able to do this no problem. 

[ilduce39]

Myers over the course of his career has averaged 22 minutes a night which is pretty amazing for a guy who’s suspect in his own end, makes some huge gaffes, takes a lot of penalties and isn’t great on the PK or the PP. 

 

This isn’t to slam the guy - I just think in a reduced role he could actually look pretty good. He’s been deployed as a top 3 d his whole career.  Let the guy play 3rd pair against easier competition and let him cook.

[BarnBurner]

21 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

That is perfect! 

[PhillipBlunt]

28 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Myers over the course of his career has averaged 22 minutes a night which is pretty amazing for a guy who’s suspect in his own end, makes some huge gaffes, takes a lot of penalties and isn’t great on the PK or the PP. 

 

This isn’t to slam the guy - I just think in a reduced role he could actually look pretty good. He’s been deployed as a top 3 d his whole career.  Let the guy play 3rd pair against easier competition and let him cook.

Having Myers on the 3rd pair, with Tocchet, Foote, and Gonchar directing traffic could end up being a boon for the defense. 

[timberz21]

2 hours ago, J-Dizzle said:

You're entitled to that opinion. Facts would say otherwise. He was 3rd in TOI on our team last year (and that is with Hronek at #2.... so an argument could be that he was actually our number #2 guy most of the year). It gets better though... #74 in TOI league wide.  Simple math would say there are 128 top 4 defencemen in the league... I'll let you figure out where that puts him. 

Facts also says he only had 18 pts and was a -15 and was well over his head at the position.

 

Doesn’t mean because he played top 4 minutes that he necessarily played at a level of a top 4 player.   Hence why I said we never had a top 4 RHD in 10 years.  He played those minutes because we had no other choice not because he deserved those minutes.

 

anyways, let’s agree to disagree