[Rumour] Patrick Kane Trade Talks

[canuck73_3]

11 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

They cost in capspace when they are signed.

Yes and no, Burroughs/Brisebois sent to Abbotsford and virtually no change in cap space.

[Petey Castiglione]

46 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Islanders got Bo. He’s made no difference to them. Leafs got ROR. He’s way better defensively than Bo and us making a huge difference to the Leafs. Rags already got Tank, and if the add Kane too, then they will be up there with the Leafs. 

Sorry Alfy, not drinking the Leafs Kool aid and I'm surprised you are too.  Their defense and goaltending won't survive the playoffs and like always, will busteroo.  

 

They have to get past Trouba and the rags, Hedman and the bolts AND Bergeron with his B's swan song season.   That's a tall task for a team that's made it past the 1st round once? 

 

[Mustard Tiger]

As a hockey fan it's awesome to see this is actually gonna happen lol. Chicago will free fall but rangers will be fun

[Coconuts]

 

 

[jyu]

41 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Hopefully this hurts the Hawks return

 

 

 

Guess he misses his buddy Panarin.

 

NYR should load up and go for it. The arms race in the East is making this TDL a very interesting one.

 

 

 

[Provost]

45 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

They cost in capspace when they are signed.

Read my post again, but move your lips to help out.

 

Their cap space is just swapped out by the player they are replacing on the roster.  It could net out to be slightly less or slightly more, but effectively has no impact on the cap.

 

If you bring in one player under $1 million and send another player under $1 million to the farm to make room for the new one… your cap doesn’t go up or down by any material amount.

[singing chef]

I could see the Canucks being the third team and taking on part of Kane's contract with Kravtsov coming back.  

[aGENT]

58 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Yes and no, Burroughs/Brisebois sent to Abbotsford and virtually no change in cap space.

 

20 minutes ago, Provost said:

Read my post again, but move your lips to help out.

 

Their cap space is just swapped out by the player they are replacing on the roster.  It could net out to be slightly less or slightly more, but effectively has no impact on the cap.

 

If you bring in one player under $1 million and send another player under $1 million to the farm to make room for the new one… your cap doesn’t go up or down by any material amount.

College free agents signing bonus, requires like $4-$5m of cap space at then end of the year FYI.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[higgyfan]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

NCAA players don't cost anything.  Whatever they cost will be swapped out for whoever gets demoted for that roster spot.

 

1 hour ago, myre said:

That retention would only be until the end of the year so it wouldn't hamper anything

This is a quote from @mll from the [Waivers] Chris Driedger thread (2nd page).

Depends how close the signing is to the end of the season.  Rafferty was a college signing by the Canucks with 4 days left to the season (so he could burn his ELC) and had a 5.1M cap hit.  

 

ELC CAP HIT NEW UNDERSTANDING:

We've learned that ELC players who meet the following req's have an increased cap hit:
1. 1 yr in length
2. Signed after season start

Ex:
Rafferty (VAN) cap hit: 5.1M
Schuldt (VGK) CH: 6.57M
Sturm (MIN) CH: 4.3M

Explained:https://t.co/DS4lTGVXN9 pic.twitter.com/VyvOCvIYUl

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) April 16, 2019

 

This only applies for 1-year ELCs and would be relevant for Livingstone, but not McDonough 2-year ELC only sign a 2yr agreement.

 

 

 

[Mike Vanderhoek]

1 hour ago, Coconuts said:

 

 

I would have liked to see Kravtsov get an opportunity in Vancouver, just think he could really develop outside of New York.

[Provost]

31 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

College free agents signing bonus, requires like $4-$5m of cap space at then end of the year FYI.

That would take a very special set of circumstances.

 

It has to be a one year ELC by a player AND signed for this year specifically to burn an ELC AND signed just a few days before the end of the season for that season.

 

Just add a few days and the cap drops drastically, or sign for the next year as there are pro’s and con’s to the player burning that ELC for no reason.

Edited February 25, 2023 by Provost

[myre]

2 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

 

This is a quote from @mll from the [Waivers] Chris Driedger thread (2nd page).

Depends how close the signing is to the end of the season.  Rafferty was a college signing by the Canucks with 4 days left to the season (so he could burn his ELC) and had a 5.1M cap hit.  

 

ELC CAP HIT NEW UNDERSTANDING:

We've learned that ELC players who meet the following req's have an increased cap hit:
1. 1 yr in length
2. Signed after season start

Ex:
Rafferty (VAN) cap hit: 5.1M
Schuldt (VGK) CH: 6.57M
Sturm (MIN) CH: 4.3M

Explained:https://t.co/DS4lTGVXN9 pic.twitter.com/VyvOCvIYUl

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) April 16, 2019

 

This only applies for 1-year ELCs and would be relevant for Livingstone, but not McDonough 2-year ELC only sign a 2yr agreement.

 

 

 

Unless I'm missing something, this isn't relevant to the post you made earlier

[mll]

46 minutes ago, Provost said:

Read my post again, but move your lips to help out.

 

Their cap space is just swapped out by the player they are replacing on the roster.  It could net out to be slightly less or slightly more, but effectively has no impact on the cap.

 

If you bring in one player under $1 million and send another player under $1 million to the farm to make room for the new one… your cap doesn’t go up or down by any material amount.

Depends on the timing of the signing for 1-year ELCs - ie age 24+ players.  It's a marked up cap hit as they want it to reflect the payment the player is projected to receive.  CapFriendly initially thought it was just the ELC cap hit but someone at the league office corrected them.  It's not really an issue if the signing is done early but the closer to the end of the season the cap hits can hit several millions.  Teves signed the same contract as Rafferty, used as example by CapFriendly in their CBA FAQ page, but with 25 days to go so his cap hit was a more reasonable 1.5M. 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq

How is the cap hit calculated for one year contracts signed after the start of the season?

If a player is signed to a one year contract after the start of the NHL season, that contract is subject to a unique cap hit calculation.

A notable aspect of the calculation is that the cap hit value is increased.

The cap hit is calculated as follows:
Cap hit = Signing bonus × total season days / season days remaining + base salary

Example:
Brogan Rafferty of the Vancouver Canucks signed a one year ELC on April 2, 2019. The contract has a base salary of $832,500, a signing bonus of $92,500, and there were 4 days remaining in the 186 day season:
Cap hit = $92,500 × 186 / 4 + $832,500
Cap hit: $5,133,750

 

 

[higgyfan]

4 minutes ago, myre said:

Unless I'm missing something, this isn't relevant to the post you made earlier

The (Kane) retention would stay on the Nucks salary cap beyond the season, making it unavailable

for signing Livingston, etc (they will be signed before the NHL season ends).

[myre]

16 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

The (Kane) retention would stay on the Nucks salary cap beyond the season, making it unavailable

for signing Livingston, etc (they will be signed before the NHL season ends).

Unless I'm confused though, given the amount that you're wanting to take on, there would still be room no?

[The Arrogant Worms]

[Mike Vanderhoek]

13 hours ago, Pears said:

Those two teams don’t have meddling owners.

That consistent argument or excuse or indictment of the owner is such garbage, EVERY NHL club has an owner whom will be in on NHL meetings, decisions, financial discussions etc.

 

Why do so many fans here rip an owner who has brought this city its most stable and successful run for the team on and off the ice ? I mean if people don't like the guy for whatever reason thats fine but people should at the least be able to acknowledge the success of this club under his ownership.

 

Under Aquilini the team has spent to the cap and produced:

 

The highest winning percentage ( over .560 ) of any ownership group

 

1 Western Conference Championship

2 Presidents Trophies

6 Division banners

2 Art Ross Trophies

1 Calder Trophy

1 Frank J Selke Trophy

GM of the Year ( Mike Gillis )

1 Hart Trophy

1 Jack Adams Trophy

3 King Clancy Trophies

1 Ted Lindsay Trophy

1 William M Jennings Trophy

 

Apologies for sidetracking just the " meddling " argument is so lame, some of the best years of hockey we have witnessed was under evil Franceso's rule lol.

[billabong]