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Proposed changes to LTIR on playoffs to be discussed next GM meeting.

 

Supposed change is that the 20 man roster (on the ice) cannot exceed the salary cap in the playoffs.

 

To avoid having teams stock up like TB in 2020 and CHI in 2015 that helped them have a stacked team in the playoffs.

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On 3/28/2022 at 12:50 AM, BPA said:

Proposed changes to LTIR on playoffs to be discussed next GM meeting.

 

Supposed change is that the 20 man roster (on the ice) cannot exceed the salary cap in the playoffs.

 

To avoid having teams stock up like TB in 2020 and CHI in 2015 that helped them have a stacked team in the playoffs.

LOL that should be a no brainer. 

NHL is so bush league. 

 

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35 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

LOL that should be a no brainer. 

NHL is so bush league. 

 

It would make it harder for teams to make deals at the TDL.  Putting a cap in the post-season is going to hurt teams that are trying to sell at the deadline eg expiring UFAs.

 

A team that operated all season 1M under the cap and avoided LTIR could have added a 5M player at the TDL - they are cap compliant over the season but their roster exceeds the cap for the rest of the way.  If you want them to be cap compliant in the post-season you are de facto preventing teams from making trades.  

 

There's 20% of the season left at the TDL.  

80% of the season x 80.5M + 20% of the season after adding 5M to a roster of 80.5M = 81.5M.   That team is perfectly cap compliant over the season although they are finishing the season with a roster at 85.5M past TDL and would be entering the playoffs with a roster of 85.5M.


Teams in LTIR can't bank cap space and in that example an LTIR team could only add a 1M player at the deadline vs a 5M one.  

 

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21 minutes ago, mll said:

It would make it harder for teams to make deals at the TDL.  Putting a cap in the post-season is going to hurt teams that are trying to sell at the deadline eg expiring UFAs.

 

A team that operated all season 1M under the cap and avoided LTIR could have added a 5M player at the TDL - they are cap compliant over the season but their roster exceeds the cap for the rest of the way.  If you want them to be cap compliant in the post-season you are de facto preventing teams from making trades.  

 

There's 20% of the season left at the TDL.  

80% of the season x 80.5M + 20% of the season after adding 5M to a roster of 80.5M = 81.5M.   That team is perfectly cap compliant over the season although they are finishing the season with a roster at 85.5M past TDL and would be entering the playoffs with a roster of 85.5M.


Teams in LTIR can't bank cap space and in that example an LTIR team could only add a 1M player at the deadline vs a 5M one.  

 

At the end of the day though, cap exists for a reason. 

Yes maybe have extended roster but on ice product should be cap compliant or there is no point in having one in the first place. 

It ruins the parity of the league that the league is trying to create. A rich team can park 10m of space on ltir all season and get an extra advantage when playoffs start where as a cash strapped team can't. 

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1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

At the end of the day though, cap exists for a reason. 

Yes maybe have extended roster but on ice product should be cap compliant or there is no point in having one in the first place. 

It ruins the parity of the league that the league is trying to create. A rich team can park 10m of space on ltir all season and get an extra advantage when playoffs start where as a cash strapped team can't. 

So you prefer to penalise the teams who avoided LTIR, as well as the ones who missed the playoffs and could use the returns on their pending UFAs.   

 

Teams in LTIR also have to be able to make the playoffs without their injured players and it sure looks like Vegas is struggling to do just that.  

 

 

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7 minutes ago, mll said:

So you prefer to penalise the teams who avoided LTIR, as well as the ones who missed the playoffs and could use the returns on their pending UFAs.   

 

Teams in LTIR also have to be able to make the playoffs without their injured players and it sure looks like Vegas is struggling to do just that.  

 

 

LOL don't complicate the matter my friend. 

If there is a 80m cap space. Ice a team that complies with that. 

If players are injured and go on Ltir then replace that space with another player. But when that said injured player comes back, go back to being cap compliant. 

Vegas is getting what they deserve. They thought they were good enough to make the playoffs while trading for an injured Eichel. Their plan is obviously to activate everyone once playoff starts. Isn't it a miracle that stone and Eichel are now healthy and a few of their players mysteriously end up on Ltir on the same day? 

Opening the floodgates of cap space once playoff starts is idiocy. 

 

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1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

LOL don't complicate the matter my friend. 

If there is a 80m cap space. Ice a team that complies with that. 

If players are injured and go on Ltir then replace that space with another player. But when that said injured player comes back, go back to being cap compliant. 

Vegas is getting what they deserve. They thought they were good enough to make the playoffs while trading for an injured Eichel. Their plan is obviously to activate everyone once playoff starts. Isn't it a miracle that stone and Eichel are now healthy and a few of their players mysteriously end up on Ltir on the same day? 

Opening the floodgates of cap space once playoff starts is idiocy. 

 

I agree. The cap space should be the same in the playoffs as the regular season. Shouldn’t be rewarding teams who are over the cap because of LTIR. If those players can’t play during the regular season because of the cap then they shouldn’t be allowed to play in the playoffs either. Having a team with a $100 million payroll in the playoffs is not fair to the other teams who are being compliant. It’s cheating. How can the NHL allow teams to cheat like that?  It’s a joke. Only in Bettman’s world does that happen. 

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13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I agree. The cap space should be the same in the playoffs as the regular season. Shouldn’t be rewarding teams who are over the cap because of LTIR. If those players can’t play during the regular season because of the cap then they shouldn’t be allowed to play in the playoffs either. Having a team with a $100 million payroll in the playoffs is not fair to the other teams who are being compliant. It’s cheating. How can the NHL allow teams to cheat like that?  It’s a joke. Only in Bettman’s world does that happen. 

Banked cap space by avoiding LTIR can get a team way above the cap.  

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1 hour ago, mll said:

Banked cap space by avoiding LTIR can get a team way above the cap.  

Sure. Moving guys around and banking space is part of the game and managing the cap. However, when put a player on LTIR in the regular season, sometimes for an entire year, and then take that same player off LTIR just in time for the first game of the playoffs then that is intentionally circumventing the cap. It’s cheating. We all know it. If the rule wasn’t changed for the playoffs then that team couldn’t play with that player, they would go into the playoffs with the same team as the regular season. Tampa adding Kucherov for their playoff run is a perfect example.

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9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Sure. Moving guys around and banking space is part of the game and managing the cap. However, when put a player on LTIR in the regular season, sometimes for an entire year, and then take that same player off LTIR just in time for the first game of the playoffs then that is intentionally circumventing the cap. It’s cheating. We all know it. If the rule wasn’t changed for the playoffs then that team couldn’t play with that player, they would go into the playoffs with the same team as the regular season. Tampa adding Kucherov for their playoff run is a perfect example.

Yes, but by putting a cap in the post-season you are also penalising teams that never used LTIR and banked cap space to add at the deadline.  It will mostly prevent teams from making trades at the deadline.  

 

Say Vancouver are contenders and then a key player has a season ending injury, you really don't want to give them the option to put him on LTIR so they can add someone at the deadline?  

 

It's also a multi billion business - other teams aren't just going to let another team abuse LTIR.  Kucherov had a torn labrum in his hip - it's a 5-6 month recovery time.  Plenty of NHLers underwent that same surgery - it's not a fabricated timeline.  Just that season Pastrnak and Seguin went through the same surgery.

 

Vegas are at serious risk of missing the playoffs.  Teams can't just easily do without their best players.  

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