granpappy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Diamonds said: You mean the logo that was designed with input from Bill Reid, arguably our most important First Nations artist, and aptly represents Vancouver/the Pacific Northwest and is historically an important symbol in our indigenous communities? yes ... that's the one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, -DLC- said: And, before that, First Nations were here and hunted, fished and had great respect for and symbolism in the orca. I'm talking about the here and now and simply based on how it looks. I fully understand what JC represents. Also: https://www.dawsoncreekmirror.ca/local-news/the-dawson-creek-origins-of-johnny-canuck-5189757 if we were a lacrosse team combined with the fact lacrosse is considered our national game and was played in very early days by first nations, a logo representing this would be awesome but ... also cultural misappropriation so we don't go there these days. we have had the spaghetti jersey which looks like saturn to me, we have also had several revamped fish jerseys ... now it looks like we might get a version of the 1st johnny canuck. i don't really get the hate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiger-Hearted said: First Nations were all over the Americas, not just in Vancouver and BC. The Canucks' hockey history has nothing to do with First Nations. The Orca was forced upon the Canucks' brand by John McCaw and his Orca Bay lieutenants from Seattle who initially wanted to change the name of the team to "Orcas". Also, many tourists and newcomers to Vancouver plus many of today's kids think a "Canuck" is an orca whale. We Are All Canucks. We Are Not All Orcas. Well I'd argue "what does Canucks hockey have to do with loggers"? Especially in the here and now. Remember, before the city was "built on" logging and fishing it belonged to the first nations people. And orcas are very significant to them so there's a level of respect for that jersey, even if the original intent missed that mark. There are orcas in our waters and it seems to fit, more so than a lumberjack in my opinion. And that's all we really have here, differing personal opinions on the matter. I'm not stuck on the orca but, by the same token, I certainly am not stuck on JC either. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-Hearted Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Well I'd argue "what does Canucks hockey have to do with loggers"? Especially in the here and now. Remember, before the city was "built on" logging and fishing it belonged to the first nations people. And orcas are very significant to them so there's a level of respect for that jersey, even if the original intent missed that mark. There are orcas in our waters and it seems to fit, more so than a lumberjack in my opinion. And that's all we really have here, differing personal opinions on the matter. I'm not stuck on the orca but, by the same token, I certainly am not stuck on JC either. Again, ALL of the Americas, North & South America, belonged to First Nations and Aboriginal people. Orcas are found all over the world. The name of the team is "Canucks", not "Orcas". Johnny Canuck was a fearless and hardworking Canadian lumberjack who played hockey in his spare time. That's Canucks hockey. The lumber industry has longstanding roots in BC and it helped build our city of Vancouver. Even Canada's First Nations people were lumberjacks and loggers too. So, whenever you do a road trip to watch the Canucks play in the likes of Madison Square Garden, Long Island, Philadelphia, Boston or even in Columbus and fans over there ask you, "What the puck is a Canuck?? Is it a killer whale or some sort of fish??" What would your answer be?? Would you go on about First Nations this and First Nations that? It wouldn't answer their question about our great Canucks name. Whenever I travel to New York and the Eastern U.S. and talk about hockey, I educate them about Johnny Canuck and our Canucks name. I also tell them about the former Orca Bay ownership from Seattle who actually wanted to change the name of the Canucks to "Orcas". They look at the JC logo I show them, get a much better understanding of the Canucks name and they applaud the logo. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, -DLC- said: Tell me you don't find it super sharp to see the boys in the black skate jersey. I mean, I think the consensus as I've seen it is that's the one. But we keep trying different stuff because ? Johnny Canuck just is too much and sometimes less is more. Not sure we really identify with a lumberjack in Vancouver...just doesn't work for me. A matter of personal opinion I guess. Shoresy? Bring the lumber. Johnny Canuck? Who knows lumber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, D.B Cooper said: Johnny Canuck logo just looks super childish. I really hope we never use this jersey. Between this and the orca, we have the worst logos in the league. That's just left-over bile from that used to play for Cowtown guy, what's his name? Don't worry, you will get over it. The Real Johnny Canucks Rules! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Reminds me of the old hideous Islanders “Fisherman” jerseys of the late 90s/early 2000s. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, -DLC- said: Tell me you don't find it super sharp to see the boys in the black skate jersey. I mean, I think the consensus as I've seen it is that's the one. But we keep trying different stuff because ? Johnny Canuck just is too much and sometimes less is more. Not sure we really identify with a lumberjack in Vancouver...just doesn't work for me. A matter of personal opinion I guess. I love the skate jerseys so I 100% agree with you there, but I don’t think it’s a matter of not “identifying” with the lumberjack as much as it’s just ugly and very amateur/minor league looking. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jester13 Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, morgo said: Nobody thinks the Orca is a Canuck. And if they do, they have bigger problems to worry about than the branding of a hockey team... A lumberjack isn't a Canuck either. Your revisionist history on how the Orca came to be is as tiresome and unwanted as this new jersey.... The video literally says they knew in advance there would be rumblings about the connection to Orca Bay Sports, but they did it anyways, because that's what corporations do. Bring back the Skate. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roger Neilsons Towel Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 I was a huge fan of these 40th Anniversary jerseys and would love to see them in a Reverse Retro. The proportion and colours are perfect. Just change to the current Adidas jersey style and done. I’d order that in a heartbeat. 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Muttley said: He doesn't look to happy about it. I don’t know. There were happy times… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 8 hours ago, McBackup said: the Senators using a parasite pardon me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said: I don’t know. There were happy times… Still gotta be one of the passionate moments in the NHL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgo Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jester13 said: The video literally says they knew in advance there would be rumblings about the connection to Orca Bay Sports, but they did it anyways, because that's what corporations do. Yes, the video says that they were aware that people would make the connection to Orca Bay Sports... But they went ahead with the concept because they thought it was a strong logo. If the goal was to create a "corporate logo" from the onset, Brent Lynch wouldn't have resisted using an Orca in the first place. Nor would there be a handful of concept logos from that process that don't feature a killer whale. Quote "This was not a one-shot deal, we looked at numerous other looks and logos & ideas and I was involved in that part of it" - Trevor Linden (one of the most beloved Canucks of all time). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the grinder Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiger-Hearted said: Again, ALL of the Americas, North & South America, belonged to First Nations and Aboriginal people. Orcas are found all over the world. The name of the team is "Canucks", not "Orcas". Johnny Canuck was a fearless and hardworking Canadian lumberjack who played hockey in his spare time. That's Canucks hockey. The lumber industry has longstanding roots in BC and it helped build our city of Vancouver. Even Canada's First Nations people were lumberjacks and loggers too. So, whenever you do a road trip to watch the Canucks play in the likes of Madison Square Garden, Long Island, Philadelphia, Boston or even in Columbus and fans over there ask you, "What the puck is a Canuck?? Is it a killer whale or some sort of fish??" What would your answer be?? Would you go on about First Nations this and First Nations that? It wouldn't answer their question about our great Canucks name. Whenever I travel to New York and the Eastern U.S. and talk about hockey, I educate them about Johnny Canuck and our Canucks name. I also tell them about the former Orca Bay ownership from Seattle who actually wanted to change the name of the Canucks to "Orcas". They look at the JC logo I show them, get a much better understanding of the Canucks name and they applaud the logo. Johnny Canuck is a fictional lumberjack and a national personification of Canada. He first appeared in early political cartoons dating to 1869 where he was portrayed as a younger cousin of the United States' Uncle Sam and Britain's John Bull. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Kids will love it I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bleed Blue and Green Posted July 25, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said: I was a huge fan of these 40th Anniversary jerseys and would love to see them in a Reverse Retro. The proportion and colours are perfect. Just change to the current Adidas jersey style and done. I’d order that in a heartbeat. Yeah they're my favourite jerseys of all time, have the Henrik one. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jaimito Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 12 hours ago, -DLC- said: Please. no. If JT signs long term, I'll buy you one. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilentSam Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 The Johnny Canuck logo is comical,. didn’t we learn anything from the “v” clown costumes? I do like this , that has already been posted.. perhaps a color tweak on the darker home jerseys to a dark stealth black / blue.. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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