OEL for PP1?

[Kobayashi Maru]

2 hours ago, Muttley said:

What kind of a GM would make monumental downgrade to the team like that?  To get the first or second OA pick in the next draft?  

Just so I get this correct, are you saying if we move Miller for something like Severson and Holtz, we go from a playoff team to the bottom 2 in the league?

[Kobayashi Maru]

11 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

well you would be going back in time, almost all teams run with 4 forwards on the PP. why? because it works

It's the system that works.  If there is one D on the point (OEL) and you use Hughes as a rover/forward.  I think you put your most talented group out there as they don't play the same as 5on5 anyways.

[MikeyD]

19 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I much much preferred having OEL on PP1 as opposed to Hughes.  

 

Hughes was really good for zone entries, and he is excellent and holding the puck in at the line.  Nothing wrong with Hughes on PP1 however we're wasting away OEL's talents by not having him on PP1.  

 

 

I actually tend to agree with this. If our entries were more consistent I'd be all for this but I worry with OEL our entries into the zone would take a massive hit and that's the most important part on a powerplay. Sadly many of our forwards aren't great entry guys. 

[Ghostsof1915]

 

[250Integra]

The only reason why I like OEL on PP1 more than Hughes is because OEL can actually get his shots through and he has a much harder shot. Most teams know Hughes is not the shooting option so it's either going to Pettersson or Miller. 

 

Hopefully Hughes is working on his shot this off-season because most of the time its wide wristers or absolute muffins.

[Kobayashi Maru]

20 minutes ago, Muttley said:

What? You can't recognize an exaggeration to push a narrative? 

I must have needed another coffee.  Was in literal mode only at that point.  My narrative is still that moving Miller is better for the medium term of this franchise.  Our right side D needs a major upgrade before we can commit 8.5 x 7 to a 30 year old Miller.  Miller is really the only thing that can be moved to help fix that.

[wai_lai416]

1 hour ago, 250Integra said:

The only reason why I like OEL on PP1 more than Hughes is because OEL can actually get his shots through and he has a much harder shot. Most teams know Hughes is not the shooting option so it's either going to Pettersson or Miller. 

 

Hopefully Hughes is working on his shot this off-season because most of the time its wide wristers or absolute muffins.

Toronto New York Colorado Calgary Edmonton all don’t have a big point shot. They all seem to be doing just fine in the top 10 pp. the top pp scorer on the team is boeser Horvat pettersson.. so no it’s not either going to pettersson or miller. Miller actually have the lowest pp goal out of all of them. They already have 3 options plus miller for shots they don’t need a big point shot that no one will get to the rebound especially if u move Horvat off.

[250Integra]

12 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Toronto New York Colorado Calgary Edmonton all don’t have a big point shot. They all seem to be doing just fine in the top 10 pp. the top pp scorer on the team is boeser Horvat pettersson.. so no it’s not either going to pettersson or miller. Miller actually have the lowest pp goal out of all of them. They already have 3 options plus miller for shots they don’t need a big point shot that no one will get to the rebound especially if u move Horvat off.

Colorado doesn't have a big shot? Did you forget about a guy named Makar? You do know Miller and Pettersson play on the half walls so the offense is funneled from Hughes to Miller or Pettersson. Horvat and Boeser ended up with more goals because they're either putting in rebounds from Pettersson / Miller / Hughes or they're in the bumper position for one timer in the slot. Imagine if Miller or Pettersson can bring it back up to the point for a one-timer from OEL as a dangerous scoring option instead of Hughes trying to find the perfect one-timer shot for them 90% of the time. Ideally we'd have a RH defenseman there (like Salo back in the day) but we can't have everything.

Edited July 28, 2022 by 250Integra

[wai_lai416]

1 minute ago, 250Integra said:

Colorado doesn't have a big shot? Did you forget about a guy named Makar? You do know Miller and Pettersson play on the half walls so the offense is funneled from Hughes to Miller or Pettersson. Horvat and Boeser ended up with more goals because they're either putting in rebounds from Pettersson / Miller / Hughes or they're in the bumper position for one timer in the slot. Imagine if Miller or Pettersson can bring it back up to the point for a one-timer from OEL as a dangerous scoring option instead of Hughes trying to find the perfect one-timer shot for them 90% of the time. Ideally we'd have a RH defenseman there (like Salo back in the day) but we can't have everything.

Do you even watch makar? He does not have a lot of goals blasting from the “point”.. and did u even watch the canucks this season? Boeser has 2 total goals on the power play that was a “rebound” off pettersson miller or Hughes.. every other goal is either a 1 timer wrist shot or his own rebound.. 

[250Integra]

22 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Do you even watch makar? He does not have a lot of goals blasting from the “point”.. and did u even watch the canucks this season? Boeser has 2 total goals on the power play that was a “rebound” off pettersson miller or Hughes.. every other goal is either a 1 timer wrist shot or his own rebound.. 

Well he doesn't need to "blast" it from the point when he can actually score and hit the net using his wrister. But he has a bomb of a slapper as well. I guess you didn't read the part about Boeser / Horvat being the bumper position which is taken away a lot of the time.

[wai_lai416]

8 minutes ago, 250Integra said:

Well he doesn't need to "blast" it from the point when he can actually score and hit the net using his wrister. But he has a bomb of a slapper as well. I guess you didn't read the part about Boeser / Horvat being the bumper position which is taken away a lot of the time.

Lol boeser is neither in the bumper position nor putting goals in off rebound so what is your point? Most of makar goal on the pp comes off the rush or drives to the net.. so I still don’t see the need to have a big shot to hit the net with oel. But that’s fine take away Hughes just so u can stick OEL on there for his *big*shot and move Horvat or miller or ep off the pp1 since u think OEL on pp1 will score 10+ goals from the Horvat or boeser that you are moving off. And whoever u put on pp2 will magically continue to score at the pace they did on pp1

[Rindiculous]

16 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

there's absolutely 0 reasons to split the PP evenly if it's working.. nor is there a reason to break up the powerplay just so they can insert whomever.. so instead of having EP play 17-18mins a night? let's play him 15-16.. take away as much offensive opportunity as possible to give the middle 6 players even powerplay time to kill time and momentum take your most impactful player on PP1 off and replace with others and instead of having 1 good PP1 line we have 2 mediocre pp lines just for the hell of it so that we can have OEL on pp1? like i'm still amazed at how people non stop suggest putting OEL to replace hughes or put rathbone in the pp1 basically is top 10 in the league.. take off horvat.. we have stick OEL and Hughes together.. great we have no bumper.. we have a big OEL shot that no one is going to get to the rebound.. let's stick horvat and hughes on the PP2.. great there's 0 playmakers on pp2 other than hughes.. horvat garland, pearson.. whomever else u wanna stick on kuzmenko maybe or podkolzin.. none of them are great at being a setup guy.. so it's all hughes passing the puck to whomever and they just blindly shoot it at the net.. 

 

seriously what does putting OEL on the pp1 do? make his stat looks better?? at the cost of making everyone else stats worse? so if OEL is getting more opportunity on PP1.. does that make him produce more 5v5? no? taking away QH's pp1 time does that make him produce more elsewhere? no? 

Why strive for the 9th best PP in the league when we can strive for the BEST PP in the league?  Our PP with our talent should be a shew in for the top 10, not barely there.  We just need to have the chemistry to make it work.  Why did Miller get 99 points this year?  Because he had insanely good chemistry with Pearson because their styles greatly compliment each other.

 

This is the same for the PP.  What role does Hughes serve on our first unit?  He's great at zone entries and is elite at bringing the puck through the neutral zone and passing it off on the entry.  Would this not be better served on the second unit where they usually start behind their own net with a unit that is less talented at zone entries already?  Also, Hughes only excels in the zone when he controls the play himself.  But on the first unit, he doesn't do that.  That is Miller's job.  The only point Hughes has is to pass it over to Petey...which can easily be done by OEL while also having the threat of a Miller to OEL one timer or sneaky wrister that Hughes does not provide.  This was shown how effective this was last year when OEL spent time on the first unit.  With Hughes on there, the PP got really stale at times, but with OEL we have 4 different threats instead of 3.

 

This not only improves the first unit, but the second unit as well.  What the second unit missed last year with a PP quarterback.  With Hughes on that unit, now they have one with Garland net front and a threat in Mikheyev and Podkolzin/Pearson on either side with Kuzmenko/Pearson bumper/down low and Garland net front.

[wai_lai416]

16 minutes ago, Rindiculous said:

Why strive for the 9th best PP in the league when we can strive for the BEST PP in the league?  Our PP with our talent should be a shew in for the top 10, not barely there.  We just need to have the chemistry to make it work.  Why did Miller get 99 points this year?  Because he had insanely good chemistry with Pearson because their styles greatly compliment each other.

 

This is the same for the PP.  What role does Hughes serve on our first unit?  He's great at zone entries and is elite at bringing the puck through the neutral zone and passing it off on the entry.  Would this not be better served on the second unit where they usually start behind their own net with a unit that is less talented at zone entries already?  Also, Hughes only excels in the zone when he controls the play himself.  But on the first unit, he doesn't do that.  That is Miller's job.  The only point Hughes has is to pass it over to Petey...which can easily be done by OEL while also having the threat of a Miller to OEL one timer or sneaky wrister that Hughes does not provide.  This was shown how effective this was last year when OEL spent time on the first unit.  With Hughes on there, the PP got really stale at times, but with OEL we have 4 different threats instead of 3.

 

This not only improves the first unit, but the second unit as well.  What the second unit missed last year with a PP quarterback.  With Hughes on that unit, now they have one with Garland net front and a threat in Mikheyev and Podkolzin/Pearson on either side with Kuzmenko/Pearson bumper/down low and Garland net front.

Lmao is Oel is as good as Hughes at QBing the pp.. but pp2 is missing a Pp qb last year? Best pp? Colorado Toronto Tampa NYR Edmonton all saids hi. I’m loving how you guys are diminishing Hughes.. his only point is to pass the puck to EP lmao. You guys are straight up ridiculous. You just claimed pp2 have no QB referring to OEL not capable. But all of a sudden he’s good for the pp1 let’s put a guy that have been declining on the Pp in terms of production for a while now before even coming to the canucks. Let’s replace a 30+ points ppl guy with one that have put up 19 14 7 10 points on the ppl recently it’ll make the Pp so much better. He hasn’t even broke the 20 points on the pp for 6 years now but he will all of a sudden be a 30+ point pp guy.

[250Integra]

17 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

Lmao is Oel is as good as Hughes at QBing the pp.. but pp2 is missing a Pp qb last year? Best pp? Colorado Toronto Tampa NYR Edmonton all saids hi. I’m loving how you guys are diminishing Hughes.. his only point is to pass the puck to EP lmao. You guys are straight up ridiculous. You just claimed pp2 have no QB referring to OEL not capable. But all of a sudden he’s good for the pp1 let’s put a guy that have been declining on the Pp in terms of production for a while now before even coming to the canucks. Let’s replace a 30+ points ppl guy with one that have put up 19 14 7 10 points on the ppl recently it’ll make the Pp so much better. He hasn’t even broke the 20 points on the pp for 6 years now but he will all of a sudden be a 30+ point pp guy.

Have you seen how much time PP 2 gets? It's a rarity that anyone scores on PP2 when they have 30 seconds to work with.

[IBatch]

On 7/27/2022 at 11:30 PM, J-23 said:

No, Hughes carries the 1st unit.
 

That's a little bit of an exaggeration.   Down the stretch the PP burned bright hot because Horvat and EP were red hot (and Miller got a lot of apples)...he walks the line better then OEL and pretty much anyone in the league right now ... his passing is very good but his shot isn't very good.      OELs for sure is better and it's not even close really..    Im fine keeping QHs on the first PP unit, that's his bread and butter.   

 

As for OEL, he was pretty decent when he did get a few games on the PP... but don't see why we'd change the two out 

[IBatch]

On 7/29/2022 at 10:45 AM, 250Integra said:

Have you seen how much time PP 2 gets? It's a rarity that anyone scores on PP2 when they have 30 seconds to work with.

No doubt ... and it's always taking the puck or regaining it even in our zone first then skating and passing it ... enough time for one or two plays/shots and it's done.   Not many teams split the two equally though or even  close to it.  Last one i remember was 2002 DET...

[Nucklefuts]

Oel pp1 for 45 games then trade him

[R3aL]

Honestly pp2 is usually more of a scramble and less structured. QH could really take advantage of that.

 

anchoring a second unit pp with Horvat and Hughes would be really interesting to me.

PP1

Petey

Miller

Kuzmenko

Boeser

OEL

 

PP2

Horvat

Garland

Podkolzin

Mikehyev/hoglander

Hughes

 

would be interesting.
 

I’d be curious to try it for a a little stretch and see how it works 

 

[Goal:thecup]

PP1:

Petey

JT

Bo

Huggy

OEL

 

No need for PP2 to hit the ice.