[Waivers] 64 players - Oct. 09, 2022

[therodigy]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Not really. Just assign either Karlsson/Aman *poof*

And once Ferland goes on LTIR, Aman/Karlsson would inevitibly get recalled with added cap. With the uncertainty around injuries, it makes for a lot of headache when papering contracts. Only waiver exempt player unaffected by this would be Rathbone, but that may not have been enough. Nevertheless, what's done is done. There will be other opportunities to adjust.

 

 

[Canucks-12]

12 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

Dammit was hoping we would claim P Myers. Yea cap would be a juggle but would be worth it for a RHD

If the Canucks really want him they can always try to trade for him. Should be low value.

[mll]

1 minute ago, therodigy said:

And once Ferland goes on LTIR, Aman/Karlsson would inevitibly get recalled with added cap. With the uncertainty around injuries, it makes for a lot of headache when papering contracts. Only waiver exempt player unaffected by this would be Rathbone, but that may not have been enough. Nevertheless, what's done is done. There will be other opportunities to adjust.

 

 

The added cap is close to negligible - 884K vs 925K for a recall in LTIR.   Aman/Karlsson hardly have any bonuses. 

[UKNuck96]

2 minutes ago, Canucks-12 said:

If the Canucks really want him they can always try to trade for him. Should be low value.

Tampa only sent him down so they could hit the maximum relief for their ltir. They didn’t want to lose him. By all accounts he had a good camp.

 

if we trade for him we give up more assets when we could have had him for free, plus I don’t think we would want to pay the price for him in a trade. 

[coryberg]

9 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

We might get some day one trades in order for people to jig around the cap they need. But tampa took a risk in sending down myers but it paid off for them. We won’t get an opportunity to get a RHD with a decent aav again 

P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

[Goal:thecup]

6 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Why did we trade another second rounder for cap space if we aren’t even going to take a stab at improving the defence?

We traded that 2nd rounder for cap space and a cap dump (Dickie) who could no longer play like an NHLer, AND an improvement on defense in Stillman.

[UKNuck96]

1 minute ago, coryberg said:

P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

He is 2.55 aav this year and 1.4 next year I believe with his extension, so it’s one year of higher price. He dropped off from his rookie years in Philly, but he had a good camp, and is coming into a Ds prime years. He may not be a deal breaker but he would have been solid as a 5/6 D for us, allowing us to keep people on their better sides and have inf more balance. 
 

next season at 1.4 if the experiment didn’t work he would be moveable, but if it did we have a decent RHD at a good price 

[Eddie]

6 minutes ago, coryberg said:

P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

Totally this ! 

Not sure why so many people want us to add another overpaid bottom pair D or 3/4 liner that we have in droves - complete waste of cap space that is REALLY needed at some point to go towards a second pairing D.

[aGENT]

11 minutes ago, therodigy said:

And once Ferland goes on LTIR, Aman/Karlsson would inevitibly get recalled with added cap. With the uncertainty around injuries, it makes for a lot of headache when papering contracts. Only waiver exempt player unaffected by this would be Rathbone, but that may not have been enough. Nevertheless, what's done is done. There will be other opportunities to adjust.

 

 

Not if we claimed someone.. That someone would take their roster spot.

 

Say we claimed Tierney and sent Karlsson down. Tierney takes Karlsson's roster spot and actually saves us $80k of cap space.

[ilduce39]

11 minutes ago, coryberg said:

P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

I just liked the idea of us cornering the market on tall RHDs named Myers.  Another missed opportunity.

[86Viking]

12 minutes ago, coryberg said:

and P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

If Dermott was healthy I wonder if they would have made that swap or Burroughs although I like what he brings and he is cheap. Unlikely, bit disappointed we didn't put a claim in for him as he is young and a RHD but we didn't want to put anyone on long term IR I guess or management didn't think P. Myers was an upgrade on Poolman or Dermott/Burroughs.

 

Let the season start already, lets go Vancouver!

[Goal:thecup]

When are final rosters due?  2pm PT?

[mll]

14 minutes ago, coryberg said:

P Myers was a #7 dman last year logging less than 15 minutes and only played in a third of his teams games. 2.55 mil AAV is not ideal for that type of player. When you factor in the fact that his base salary is 3.8 million this season there is little wonder on why he cleared. Next season he will be making a more realistic number but his current contract is negative value, that's why Nashville insisted they take it in the McDonough cap dump deal. Maybe Tampa looks at trading him while taking a more palatable contract back... kind of like we did with Dickenson/Stillman.

Tampa extended him before he even played a game for them - not a player they are looking to get rid off.  He was only waived so they could try and maximise their LTIR relief.  

 

 

 

[Goal:thecup]

Just now, Canuckster86 said:

Let the season start already, lets go Vancouver!

2 more sleeps ... zzzzzzzzzzz zzzz

[coryberg]

19 minutes ago, mll said:

Tampa extended him before he even played a game for them - not a player they are looking to get rid off.  He was only waived so they could try and maximise their LTIR relief.  

 

 

 

They sure as hell aren't going to say they hope he gets claimed. That would have made it hella awkward when he inevitably cleared. They could have waived other players instead if they were actually scared of losing Myers (they were only saving $1,125,000 by waiving him).  They knew that given his current contract that he would be a lock to clear. I'm sure that if he was claimed they would be doing a happy dance. 2.55 million in cap space and 3.8 million dollars in real money goes a long way in today's NHL. A lot further than a #6 dman.

[mll]

Just now, coryberg said:

They sure as hell aren't going to say they hope he gets claimed. That would have made it hella awkward when he inevitably cleared. They could have waived other players instead if they were actually scared of losing Myers (they were only saving $1,125,000 by waiving him).  They knew that given his current contract that he would be a lock to clear. I'm sure that if he was claimed they would be doing a happy dance. 2.55 million in cap space and 3.8 million dollars in real money goes a long way in today's NHL. A lot further than a #6 dman.

They extended him this off-season - why give him an extra year if they were just hoping for his contract to run out.  He has been practicing as a lineup regular - again today as they prepare for their game tomorrow.

 

[Gawdzukes]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

Guessing the cap was the issue... Likely would have HAD to put Myers or someone on LTIR then AND would have had to make a trade one guys got healthy. Complicates things.

 

Surprised we wouldn't try to snag Tierney either. Could do a lot worse with him as 13th F.

Too much uncertainty with zero cap space. 

[coryberg]

59 minutes ago, mll said:

They extended him this off-season - why give him an extra year if they were just hoping for his contract to run out.  He has been practicing as a lineup regular - again today as they prepare for their game tomorrow.

 

They extended him to a more realistic number, and why wouldn't they? He's 25 years old and there is a chance that he could rebound in a new environment. You sign him while his stock is low and you have a shot at getting a bargain. If he completely flops in Tampa they can bury him next year at a cap penalty of only $250,000 (1.4 million minus 1.15 buried threshold). 

 

The problem isn't his contract for next year, the problem is that he is making too much on the cap this year and wayyyyyyyyyy to much money this year. His current contract has negative value as proven this afternoon (and last season when he cleared waivers as well). It's painful obvious.

[JM_]

22 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Too much uncertainty with zero cap space. 

could also be another trade of some kind in the works too. 

 

Or maybe the pro scouts just didn't think Myers #2 was much of an upgrade.

 

[Gawdzukes]

12 minutes ago, JM_ said:

could also be another trade of some kind in the works too. 

 

Or maybe the pro scouts just didn't think Myers #2 was much of an upgrade.

 

We're broke though. Bringing in someone and then having to trade another contract is a whole new problem unless we through another first or second at it. At this point we have to take some gambles anyway so who knows.