RetroCanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 NYR Horvat VAN Schneider Kakko NYR won’t be able to afford 3 RD costing more then 20M of cap so Schneider will likely needed to be traded at some point. Kakko is floundering and in need of a change of scenery, would prefer Lafreniere but with Schneider added doubt it happens. Kakko also carries just over 2M of cap allowing the trade to work cap wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 sub JT for Horvat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Green Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I can see this trade happening with Miller going back to NYR and not Horvat, surprised that it hasn't happened already actually. Not sure why people want to trade Bo these days , outside of Pettersson he is the last player I would trade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 if you could sub JT for Horvat and then give JT's money to Bo, then everybody is happy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Rangers are the team I hope goes crazy for horvat to nyr: horvat, schenn to van: chytil, schneider, 1st round pick 2023 (NYR or DAL) schneider is the top prized acquisition in any horvat trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: NYR Horvat VAN Schneider Kakko NYR won’t be able to afford 3 RD costing more then 20M of cap so Schneider will likely needed to be traded at some point. Kakko is floundering and in need of a change of scenery, would prefer Lafreniere but with Schneider added doubt it happens. Kakko also carries just over 2M of cap allowing the trade to work cap wise Kakko is not a full time centre. So we lose our best face off guy, and one of our better scoring forwards. And would have nothing to replace it with. Both Chytil and Kakko have horrible face off percentages. So you basically fill one hole and leave a gaping hole up front. Unless a draft pick is coming back to Vancouver (Like a late 1st rounder) and the idea is to tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: So we lose our best face off guy, and one of our better scoring forwards. And would have nothing to replace it with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Which is why I qualified it, by saying unless this in an attempt to tank. Here's the major flaw with that. There's no guarantee even finishing last to get 1st overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Which is why I qualified it, by saying unless this in an attempt to tank. Here's the major flaw with that. There's no guarantee even finishing last to get 1st overall. Even with a tank it’s doubtful Vancouver could be worse than Chicago, Columbus or Anaheim. And they have a head start on sucking. Plus, if Florida continues to struggle Montreal will have the 2nd or 3rd best odds at winning the lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Kakko is not a full time centre. So we lose our best face off guy, and one of our better scoring forwards. And would have nothing to replace it with. Both Chytil and Kakko have horrible face off percentages. So you basically fill one hole and leave a gaping hole up front. Unless a draft pick is coming back to Vancouver (Like a late 1st rounder) and the idea is to tank. if we add Schneider on D we become a way better team. Hughes-Schneider would be that top pair you win cups with. Kakko replaces Boeser when he’s traded and Boeser could fetch us a quality centre prospect. I like Kuzmenko but the way he’s playing may price him out of our Cap so he might be the guy to trade this deadline, but who knows. So Maybe Garland, Boeser or Kuzmenko gets you something like Räty or Turcotte. Dont get me wrong though I’d rather trade Miller over Horvat but the time to do that was last year before we resigned him at 8M. Personally I see this year as a write off even though we’ve played better recently. we need to stop this mediocre bubble playoff structure and move some pieces to get some younger higher potential quality Pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boknows08 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 44 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: if we add Schneider on D we become a way better team. Hughes-Schneider would be that top pair you win cups with. Kakko replaces Boeser when he’s traded and Boeser could fetch us a quality centre prospect. I like Kuzmenko but the way he’s playing may price him out of our Cap so he might be the guy to trade this deadline, but who knows. So Maybe Garland, Boeser or Kuzmenko gets you something like Räty or Turcotte. Dont get me wrong though I’d rather trade Miller over Horvat but the time to do that was last year before we resigned him at 8M. Personally I see this year as a write off even though we’ve played better recently. we need to stop this mediocre bubble playoff structure and move some pieces to get some younger higher potential quality Pieces. Exactly, Miller doesn’t make sense for them as the rags can’t afford him. Miller made sense last year before he extended. The rags have a number of big contracts all with some sort of protection. Certainly be interesting for them and their rfa’s over the next couple years with Kandre Miller up this year and Schneider next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: There's no guarantee even finishing last to get 1st overall. Surely once every half century we could get some actual hockey luck? I mean every squirrel gets a nut now and then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthervin Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: NYR Horvat VAN Schneider Kakko NYR won’t be able to afford 3 RD costing more then 20M of cap so Schneider will likely needed to be traded at some point. Kakko is floundering and in need of a change of scenery, would prefer Lafreniere but with Schneider added doubt it happens. Kakko also carries just over 2M of cap allowing the trade to work cap wise Would love to see Schneider here but I can’t see the Rags giving him up. For Patty Kane, sure, but I’m not sure if they do it for Horvat. Would love to be proven wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, Ruthervin said: Would love to see Schneider here but I can’t see the Rags giving him up. For Patty Kane, sure, but I’m not sure if they do it for Horvat. Would love to be proven wrong though. Don’t agree at all. Horvat is only 27, scored 30 goals last year and on pace for 60 this year (will more likely be in the high 40 low 50 range). Someone is going to really need to give up some very good assets to get him. I’m disappointed we didn’t trade Miller so that we have the room for all our guys but management made a different call then I’d have liked. Horvat is easily worth a young prospect like Schneider and more on top of that. Especially since he has more quality years ahead of him compared to Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Which is why I qualified it, by saying unless this in an attempt to tank. Here's the major flaw with that. There's no guarantee even finishing last to get 1st overall. The only way to guarantee winning a lottery pick is by trading for Taylor Hall! So maybe get him in the off-season before the lottery and we’re good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Brennan Othmann looks really good. Othmann and Schneider would be a nice package for Horvat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 BoHo/Schenn/Rathbone/2nd to NYR Lafrenier/Schneider/3rd to VAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthervin Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Don’t agree at all. Horvat is only 27, scored 30 goals last year and on pace for 60 this year (will more likely be in the high 40 low 50 range). Someone is going to really need to give up some very good assets to get him. I’m disappointed we didn’t trade Miller so that we have the room for all our guys but management made a different call then I’d have liked. Horvat is easily worth a young prospect like Schneider and more on top of that. Especially since he has more quality years ahead of him compared to Kane Fair enough and you make good points. My line of thinking however is that the Canucks already tried that with Miller this past Summer (coming off 99 points) and no one was willing to give us that young coveted RD. Now granted, BoHo is two years young, is a more natural center than Miller, and is probably regarded as having better intangibles, but I think the deal would have already have happened (with Bo) of teams were willing to give us a Braden Schneider or Noah Dobson type guy. Will happily eat my grandma’s shit if I’m wrong however and you’re more than welcome to call me out on this if Horvat lands us someone like Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Miller for Schneider+ Chytil please 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthervin Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Phil_314 said: Miller for Schneider+ Chytil please Right now, it’s unlikely that NYR would give up even one of those pieces for Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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